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[email protected] @ 5/4/2009 3:27 PM EST  Correction: animals communicate .....smell.     [email protected] @ 5/4/2009 3:20 PM EST  Wow, alla maxaay Sheydan Advocacy Gruop (SAG) isu jiibinayaan.   Huuno Hymo, if being for a Somali Govt., for law and order, for compassion with our people, opposition to all forms of violence what you in the SAG-gang lead by Garcase call Islam-ha'te, so be it. AS we say in Somali, animals mostly communicate with one another through, human beings do it mostly by dialogue.  I thought you, SAG-gang belonged to the later cathegory, but obviously I was wrong.   Hymo, as bro Simbe stated, "it’s strictly forbidden to call someone unbeliever or sheriik unless you are 100% sure, that shows ign*rance is widely spread among your SAG-gang". “Aar day Rastafarian lady Momos519 oo ku celcelinaysa her Rastafarian song 'hebel has outmaneuvered hebel".  What do you and other SAG-gang call the above statement, Hymo?       saba @ 5/4/2009 1:53 PM EST  Hymo, Thanks for the gentelmanship, but i advice you to refrain from engaging with in'sulting crowd. Let them fill f-ilth every where. Let them not take your time and keep you bizy talking with them nonsense. Yes HOL blocks firm points of view regarding sharif entity. I had tough time this morning.     simbe @ 5/4/2009 1:44 PM EST  Hymohamed wrote “Aar day Rastafarian lady Momos519 oo ku celcelinaysa her Rastafarian song 'hebel has outmaneuvered hebel'.  Midbaa la ogaadey, Rastafarianku waxay caabudaan Ethios, markaa waxay ka cabsanayaan haddii Somalia dowlad Islaam ka dhalato oo diinta toos loogu xukumo in meeshii ay caabadu jireen Muslimkana la caburiyo lasii wadayn caburiska.   Marka sidaas ayay Rastafarian lady islaamka dagaalka ugula jirtaa” Is this not insult to lady or man. Momo519 is one of the people in this forum who write a meaningful sentence some one can associate with. Seed ku ogaatay inay raastafaari caabudo, taas cadaab ayaad ku mutaysankartaa. it’s strictly forbidden to call some one unbeliever or sheriik unless you 100% sure. That shaws your ign*rance I didn’t why such person deserves such treatment except, in HOL peryahan iska noqotey afkaygaa qoyan     hymohamed2004 @ 5/4/2009 12:08 PM EST  Scr3w you HOL.  You have blocked gr8 people like bro Simori, sista Allow Alle, bro Dr. Lamadage, and many good heavy weights in this forum and allow prof4nity-filled, Islam h*ter Gacaliye and useless, Ethios-ever-appeaser Simbe ransack the forum. Sc3w you and sh4me on you.       hymohamed2004 @ 5/4/2009 12:04 PM EST  Look at the Prof4nity-filled, Islam h*ter Gacaliye and useless, Ethios-ever-appeaser Simbe resorting insults and interfering the lady''s private life.  I can't imagine no one is lifting a finger and saying this is not acceptable.   This people are incapable of engaging people and all they can do is to insult and insult and insult.  That is all they can do.  It is all the product of Scandanevia!!!!     hymohamed2004 @ 5/4/2009 12:00 PM EST  TFG2-led Xariifka boy is just like TFG1.  They do not have a place to hold their 'parliamentary' meeting and will get evicted the same way they were evicted from Baidoa.  Each time they try to meet, Ethios agents like Abdi Qaydiid, Said Dheere, and others are bombarding them.   Ethios won't let this entity to function even tough they tell them they are supporting it.     gaafoow geesi @ 5/4/2009 3:15 AM EST  Guul mudane Madaxweeyne,weligaa haka daalin inaad gacantu sidaas kuugu fidsanaato.waana sheey dinteena Islamka xaq angu wada ah hadaanahay umad muslimnimadu run ka tahay.Nin muslim sheganaayo oo gartaada sheego lagu yiri kadibna ku gacan seeyray ujeedkiisu maaha wax diinta islaamka ku lug leh isaga ayaana iga og damaciisa gaarka ah laakiin wuxuuw hilmaamay in kuwo badan oo isaga lamid ahaay 19 sano dalka iyo dadkaba dhuunta gacanta uga hayeen.Allaah ayaan u barinay kuwa markasta inoo diida in wadanka mar uun dowladi inooga dhalato,shacabkuna mug ayeey ku leeyihiin dhibta ah ineey markasta tageeraan mujrimiinta,waxaanse kala garan waayay sabta keentay ineey taageeraan qof baabi,intooda ku hogaamiyo,maka doqonimaa?ma ogi.maka garasho la,aanaa?ma ogi,ma sabab qabiilbaa? ma ogi.laakiin waxaan ogahay inaad runtii taageeridooda ku dhamaatene iska qabta qabqable nolosha iyo aduunk iyo aakhiraba nacay.     [email protected] @ 5/4/2009 1:25 AM EST  War hedhe Gargudud, war retirement donoo oo rab'shada dadka kadaa ama tag oo Asmara anjeero u donoo!!!! Sidaad midabka garkaaga u qarisay baad ujeedadaa'da ruta ah uqarineysaa.  Hase yeeshe waa aragnaa, garkaagu waciro ujeedaaduna xukun aadan mutaysan.     ilatali @ 5/3/2009 10:22 PM EST  Bravo Sh Shrif, alwasy keep reconcialation door open this how you keep them under presure. They will came on baord at the end, Somali people can see who is the trouble maker here.     ilatali @ 5/3/2009 10:20 PM EST  Bravo Sh Shrif, alwasy keep reconcialtion door open to your opposition, this how you keep them under preusre. Oneday they will came on baord. if not, somalis can see who is trouble maker,     shanta @ 5/3/2009 7:38 PM EST  Sheik Sharif this too much! Unleash Hagi Muse Sudi foot soldiers onto Asmara Camp.     nomadic1 @ 5/3/2009 4:38 PM EST  Saba Thanks for sharing that with us. Things are easing now but until very recently, being M was close to being J in many ways. From an M perspective, it is not easy to give an answer. I hope all Somalis get real and accept each other as equal partners, for they will never reach the mountains. On a lighter tone, it is too little too late for nomy. Double whammy!!! Take care and look after yourself. I don’t care about the others!!!loool Ducadane aan sii wadee, Allow malabkaan aan nugu daadisay uusan quraanjo nugu kicin. Aamiin dheh.     saba @ 5/3/2009 4:14 PM EST   We as Somalis do not enhance our behaviours because we do not write about it or discuss about it un biased. If we did more of that we could have corrected our mistakes. G'nite Nomy.     saba @ 5/3/2009 4:12 PM EST   He said it never happens that M defeats you and k'ills you recklessly. They will disarm you and send you back. He said more great charecteristics. I skip the comparison he gave to another clan. The isaqs particularly those who worked with them said as much.     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:57 PM EST   Isaqs i mean.     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:56 PM EST  Lol Nomy, HOL will love you for that. Not only Hawadlas but Isaws told me the same Nomy. The Hawadla elder was detailed about it and romantic indeed. I spare what made you different the Vicious, Xaasid crowd. But it is all good.     Nomadic1 @ 5/3/2009 3:51 PM EST  Saba You really did surprise me on that day for asking that question out of the blue. Had you not praised them on the same thread, I would have said yes or no. But again, you surprised me few other times. I don’t know how you figured that out. Saba, my only non M connection to any Somali clan is Hawadle, again and again. Even that is five generations back. They are lovely people. I know two people in London and they do really love me. They call me Awoowe all the time. Yes, they did fight to the bitter end. A great grandfather of mine was once asked to pray Salat. His response was, “xoogaan ku tukunayo maan xawaadle geel kaga soo dhoco”. Lool HOL will block me now.     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:36 PM EST   Ducada mashaakil badan bay ii keentay, oday Fiqi baa igu haysta.     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:34 PM EST   Below massages is for Nomy of course. Let us consider it as a behaviourial psychology.     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:33 PM EST   My first instinct was that you were an M. Do you know what charectersitics you displayed that made me think so?!. You were different than most here, you know how?!     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:29 PM EST  You are a worthy opponent. You know Nomy in Baadiyaha ,i talk to different clan elders. They all say the best opponent in war are the M guys. An elderly Hawadla who fought them to bitter had the most of praise of the best Somalis to fight with, the real men he said it in his accent (Nimoodi) are the M guys. The Isaqs said much praise about them as well. So, yes you as a person are a worthy opponent, your clan is given testomony they are as well.     baadiyow @ 5/3/2009 3:26 PM EST   This old man is Afawerki stooge , he has no mission let alone vision. Allow duul ka roon     Nomadic1 @ 5/3/2009 3:17 PM EST  Saba lool Let the M take the back seat and enjoy the ride otherwise things will get muddy. Lovely Saba, Waan arkay ducadaadii on the other thread, alle ha kaa aqbalo. Aamiin. Alla malaha waad ii dhamasay, “worthy opponent” aa dishay. Nomy waa damiin ido xitaa ma maamuli karee, let the not so good but almost there Somalis mess things than would the others. Me and you will join the party in 10 years time, insha Allah.     saba @ 5/3/2009 3:06 PM EST   My Lovely Nomy and my worthy opponent is here. Ee hadday sheekada saas tahay, Nomy adigaba aan ku doorano. Laakiin M aa shaki wayn laga qabaa noh.     Nomadic1 @ 5/3/2009 2:59 PM EST  Askari dable ka bilaabay, duqnimana corneel ku noqday iyo macalin dugsi oo macalin juquraafi u dalacay waxba yaysa na wareerin. Kii dhibka naga daynayo waqtigan hada la joogo, nabadna rabo ayay danta umada Somaliyeed ku jirtaa. UN, USA and others will not move the earth beneath Somalia nor will they turn its citizens into robots.     Nomadic1 @ 5/3/2009 2:53 PM EST  Saba I see you are in search of a custodian for this fragmented nation but I am not sure if you have one in Aweys. Waxaa la yiri “I arag I arag, I qari I qari aa ka dambeeso”. This cat and mouse, see me, see me not game will run out of steam soon.     Nomadic1 @ 5/3/2009 2:25 PM EST  SHEIKH SHARIIF “MOGADISHU, Sunday (Reuters) - Somalia's president said on Saturday he would welcome negotiations with hard-line opposition leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, which may lead to Aweys joining the Horn of Africa nation's government.” SHIIKH XASAN DAAHIR AWEYS: “Sunday (HOL) Annaga waxaan heysannaa Siyaasaddeenii hore, Shariifkana wuxuu galay Siyaasad cusub, sidaas darteed diyaar uma nihin in aan la kulanno.” Who is right and who is wrong?     saba @ 5/3/2009 1:30 PM EST  What does a Somali call En'emy?! How do you define an en'emy?!. It seems that some of us see Ethiopia as an eternal en'emy. If there are no Ethiopian,then rest is freindly!!. What kind of logic is that?! How did it evolve in the conscience of some of us?!. Ethiopia is the freindliest en'emy you could have, in comparison to the US plan for Somalia.     saba @ 5/3/2009 1:16 PM EST   Eriteria is allied with Iran now. Will that trickle down to Aways. If that happens, we are going to see a real change in Somalia. We might be looking at another Hizbullah in the making. Now that will evaporate the usual balance of powers kept in Somalia by UN orgs.     saba @ 5/3/2009 1:07 PM EST   It is a gridlock all over again. And sure, sure is the block that relied on foreign help always lost in Somalia. This time around Sharif block is reying on foreign powers, any spectator would bet on Aways Camp prevailing. It is just a fact of Somali political history.     saba @ 5/3/2009 1:02 PM EST   But that is the trick ,isn't it Anti. It is called buying time. Funny though a government for a nation that doesn't exist. Which comes first. A nation or a government and elections?!! It is to confuse the Somali people even more.     fiqicigaal @ 5/3/2009 1:00 PM EST  Aweys will prefer to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. He plays god and gives his brain washed alshabaab instincts. Aweys also gives them his extraordinary but twisted gift Jihaad even when there is no enemy in sight. Just to tighten his grip on the boys in case they rebel. It is indeed the goof of all times in his camp. Kill but don't ask why. Taste the victory but don't enjoy it. And while Sharif and his colleagues are jumping from one foot to the next for peaceful and a better Somalia, what is he doing? He is laughing his *ss off. The question is : would you follow Aweys in his killing spray or would you pray that he is stopped now? the choice is yours. Remember the only victims are Somalis regardless of who hails from where.     anti-dabadhlif @ 5/3/2009 12:58 PM EST  Sharif requested free 2 years to go all the countries around the world and beg them for money, and travel  five time per week. Itis funny that every pupet overnment alwas say when their term is  over, somalia people will have a free election and choose their own leader. Before they finish their term, kuffars will bring new MR YEEY or new sharif. Old doofaareey used to say wait untill we finish our 5 years. Now new doofeey are saying wait after 2 years. The waiting is over. Old doofaareey used to say axmaaro will not leave untill we have stron army. New doofaarey are sayin Amison will not leave untill we have strong army.     saba @ 5/3/2009 12:49 PM EST   No you do not owe me an apology, you owe it to yourself. Let us not be mistaken tough debates with h'te. Let us separate teasing and profanity. If one can't tell the difference,might as well turn off the computer.     simbe @ 5/3/2009 12:41 PM EST  Xaal qaado eedo Saba. Gacaliye take back this comment about fu**king it’s not your words. I can’t understand you are mad today for obvious reasons but keep your self-control Gacalka ta det lugnt jag fick samma påhop många ganger tidigare. Gacalka maanta waa xanaaqsan tahy walaahi , maridii waa tuuray.     [email protected] @ 5/3/2009 12:35 PM EST  Saba, sorry dear, I have try to convince you since 09.00 am I am Gacaliye, NOT SIMBE, came nowhere with you only more insults.   I gave up sister and thanks for the conversation.                                 No bad feelings sister and cheers. Gacaliye, NOT SIMBE.     simbe @ 5/3/2009 12:32 PM EST  Gacliye Jag har lovat att inte commentera om henne mer. Du brukar vara snäll mot tjejer och jag kan förstå att du är riktig forbannad på hennes påhop och galenskap men se henne som förvirrad dam och strunta i henne, det ska jag göra i fortsätting.     saba @ 5/3/2009 12:19 PM EST   Congrats for your Akhlaq Gacaliye. Wear it like a badge.\     saba @ 5/3/2009 12:18 PM EST   Galiye-simbe said, and i appologise for his bad behaviour.... He said in short " The japanesse is not F',,king her well". Be proud Galiye Simbe, the polite well bred boy . What you are high on since last night is too damaging to your brain and Akhlaq if you had any. And i wonder how did you learn about women who do not get enough. Have you been complained by those you dated. And the swedish word he used is abhoring mnothing comparing to it's English translation.     [email protected] @ 5/3/2009 12:11 PM EST  Hej Simbe, låt den här skärringen vara, hon verkar vara hög på någonting konstigt, hon har såna här periodiska utbrott.  Kanske Japanen har inte gjort sitt jobb (inte knullat henne på länge , skratt).     saba @ 5/3/2009 12:11 PM EST   Lool Simbe, I am amused. Cheers now, no hard feelings. Just go look for your kind please.     [email protected] @ 5/3/2009 12:10 PM EST  Hej, låt den här skärringen vara, hon verkar vara hög på någonting konstigt, hon har såna här periodiska utbrott.  Kanske Japanen har inte gjort sitt jobb (inte knullat henne på länge , skratt).     simbe @ 5/3/2009 12:08 PM EST  One more last comments to Saba Masayr kkkkkkkkkkkk I know where I have Diidgaal he is man with clear gaol but for you, no vision or clear political point of few. Why jealous!!! You are the best women I get for Diidgaal     saba @ 5/3/2009 12:04 PM EST  Can you please do that?! Stick with your promise please. You are empty in thoughts and unpleasent in conversation. Seek others please. I told you last night but you are too st'upid to get it. I asked you how did you start conversing with me tonight?! Do you know why i put it that way, because unless i am forced to ,i am generous to intruders of my space. So, bugger off, seek your size.     saba @ 5/3/2009 12:00 PM EST   If i complement Diidgal you take ofense Siimboow?! Masayrka noocaas Naag taqaan hore ma u arag aniga, nin raga iskaba daayee!!!!!!. Cheers.     simbe @ 5/3/2009 12:00 PM EST  Saba you have been exposed too. You are not worthy to comment with you as brother Shanta said before. This will be my last comment to you. Gacalka dear we should ignore her, she running in the dark. We can’t put all our energy to bad mouth with a confused lady, me give up I am done with her.     [email protected] @ 5/3/2009 11:57 AM EST  Saba, Exposed as what?  To what?  more clearification please!  We are grown ups, I guess, or aren't we?     saba @ 5/3/2009 11:56 AM EST  Simbe gacal, Why do you have the need inaad Naag ama Nin la caytanto. Cay maxaa keenay, sow ra'yi ma aha waxa meesha lagu qoraayo?!!     saba @ 5/3/2009 11:54 AM EST   Mentioning Clan names doesn't make one a clannist. The worst clan worshippers here on HOl and other real life places did not mention names of clans yet all they knew and think about was clan. Naming names is not the i'll, practicing certain behaviour and ha'ting individuals for their clan affiliation is.     simbe @ 5/3/2009 11:53 AM EST  Naag la caytan daafad uma hayo. Intellectual capacity requires more than a writing view English words. You can’t jump like that. It seems that you are here to create allays or loose others. Congratulation you win today the heart and mind of Diidgaal- Permission is required to go to north or you have your war and you can’t convince me the outcome. Miss war Saba think twice what just said.     saba @ 5/3/2009 11:46 AM EST  Simbe gacal, No need for redemption dearest. Accept it, you are exposed lol. "Agree with Saba on Hawiye my foot", Looooool. Don't start crying now.  It is fun day.     [email protected] @ 5/3/2009 11:44 AM EST  Saba, "If Hawiya unites, permision is not required to go up north you know". You are wrong, no single clan can dictate it's will on other clans, maybe on peaceful, honest coast areas like Banadir, Sh.Hose where chief looter Indha-Cade & co confiscated and occupied land and sold river water to citizens.   we are on HOL in over 2 years now, many times did you see me mentioning clan names?  Positively or negatively?   I bet 0 times!  For me clan has 0 meaning, even though no one can theaten my interest clanwise, but why are you always trying to grind different tribes against each other???     simbe @ 5/3/2009 11:39 AM EST  I agree Saba. The unity of Hawiye clan paves the way to reconciliation between Hawiye then it will be easier to seek national unity. Sharif says he want talks I wonder what’s wrong with that if Aweys really care about peace in our country     simbe @ 5/3/2009 11:37 AM EST  I agree Saba. The unity of Hawiye clan paves the way to reconciliation between Hawiye then it will be easier to seek national unity. Sharif says he want talks I wonder what’s wrong with that if really care about in our country     saba @ 5/3/2009 11:28 AM EST  Diidgal, I love the fight you put up. You are such a fantastic warior. Some here who in'sult opponents are cry babies. Others even worse, grudge ridden,plain mean to people they haven't met. You are in the business of a$$ kicking, NO CRYING, NO COMPLAINT, NO GRUDGES.  I Love it. Now they come for you in tens and twenties,multiple usernames...... Do what you do best dear, WHIP THEM all.     diidgaal @ 5/3/2009 11:02 AM EST  Shiikh Daahir Aweys lama heshiin karo nin u bartay inuu gaalo la heshiiyo oo ugu adeego siday rabaan. Nuurka iyo mugdigu meel ma wada galaan, xaqqa iyo baadilkana meel ma wada galaan. Shariifoow hadduu heshiis rabo waxay ahayd inuu heshiis raadiyo intaan jago been been lagu siin. Markuu jago helay buu leeyahay ha la ila heshiiyo. Maxaase lagula heshiiyaa oo uu heysataa ama qaban karaa? Waa nin sidii la doono loo maamulan karo, waa nin aan aamin galin oo isbedel badan, waa nin aanay diin qiimo ugu gadhin oo siduu rabo u isticmaalaya. Shariifoow wuxuu arkay in gaal meel ku hayn karin oo waxba u qaban karin. Hadda wuxuu gartay sida keliya oo jago lagu haysan karo waa heshiis lala galo mujaahidiinta. U maleyn maayo inay weligood heshiinayaan.     saba @ 5/3/2009 10:47 AM EST   Gacalka, If Hawiya unites, permision is not required to go up north you know. Yes, i emphasised on Sharif because the burden is on him. Remember he is the president and he is keeping UN and affiliate AU troops, the other guy is saying Let Somalia be for somalis. Gacaliye, Stop dwelling on H'ate for Aways, think of the greater good.     [email protected] @ 5/3/2009 10:41 AM EST  Saba, "Do it Sharif while you can. You can do it and we will call  you president of all somalia, because that will be the result of you joining Aways. A one single united Somalia, not balkanized as it is now". what about if Somalis or regions don't even want to hear Aweys, or anyother bl**d  thirsty and power-mad soldier for that matter, in politics? In my view, Aweys is more loyal to a bearded Saudi fugitive in a cave, long away than to Somalia.  Who should join whom?  Låt president Sharif and his team work in peace instead of awarding an outlaw like Aweys.         saba @ 5/3/2009 10:40 AM EST   Sas, The difference is one was not squandering the somali land and sea,the other is nonchalant about it. One wanted and advocated vociferously for One united Somalia even against the wishes of his masters and clansmen, the other is nonchalant about it. Yes the octogenerian was misguided , a shaky man literally who thought Ethiopia can save Somalia, he was bamboozeled indeed. This Sharif one doesn't even need Ethiopia or any other Somali clan to achieve the unity of Hawiye. He has it ,it is within his grasp, he is just not willing to do it. And,of course, there is the difference between the two guys about TASTE. One has devoloped TASTE FOR THE GOOD LIFE. The other never cared for money and good life. That much i can think of.     sas @ 5/3/2009 10:23 AM EST  can someone give me answer for my questions? 1 Shariff was a leader of the Mujahidiin in Somalia 2 yrs ago why is he seeking protection against the same Mujahidiin? 2 what is the diffirent between Shariif and Col Yusuf  since Yusuf was protected by UMISOM and Shariff is now being guarded by same forces?       saba @ 5/3/2009 10:11 AM EST  JJ, Sharif is under HUGE pressure from outside influence. He must know that he has local home grown powers. They are playing with him the all too familiar "Stick and Carrots". I am not sure if he has the guts to say to them there are things that I and I alone must decide. I am not sure of that and the foreign influence knows it. He just doesn't have the urge to be Great man who leaves great legacy. I am not optimistic. Seems he is satisfied with the current situation. But ,let us hope for the best and pray they unite.     JJ @ 5/3/2009 9:57 AM EST  SABA Two Shiekh are making same mistake that Ali Mahdi and Aidid did twenty years ago. These people will never reflect the history. They should unite their tribes then rest somalis have no problems.     saba @ 5/3/2009 9:53 AM EST  It is all upon you Sheekh Sharif. You witnessed what can be achieved for Somalia by the unity of Hawiya clan. Unity of Hawiya clan is the Holy Grail Somalis are in search for. With such unity you achived wonders in matter of months- with no funds to speak of. Sharif ,the ball is on your side. Much is expected to those who are given much. Most of the burden is on you, you took that burden willingly when you accepted to be President of the fractured nation. What is the dispute?! Foreign armies be evicted!!. Why not do it and work with Aways to establish a genuine Somali army?!. Is it because you are not serving Somalis alone? Are you fearing those who facilitated you to be in charge of pockets of Mogdisho?! Well do not fear those, fear the furry of the Somali people only. I am appaled by your talk "wait two years and run for office"!!!!!!!. You are speaking as if you live in a stable united country where political parties and politicians are in dispute of policies. You must know that Somalia is in search of Nationhood, not Governments and political parties and sham elections in foreign countries. There many reasons why Aways and rest of Somalis want foreign armies out. What is your reason having them close to your chest. Why do you think an Abgal man like yourself has to be in armored car to be moved from airport to Villa Somalia. Do you not think you can still be president, protected by Somalis if you in earnest make deal with Aways, a deal that is for Somalia. One that is not dictated by UN . Do it Sharif while you can. You can do it and we will call  you president of all somalia, because that will be the result of you joining Aways. A one single united Somalia, not balkanized as it is now.

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