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Burcoman @ 6/23/2009 8:49 PM EST  I always wanted to start my very own porn and brothel bussiness in somalia. I would be giving those refugee women empoylment and money to feed there kids. Think about it ppl     adamjama @ 5/31/2009 12:08 PM EST  You have to look at this mayhem within the context of Somali history and culture. In our earlier days, the nomads in the bush use to fight all the time for water holes and pasture. When that happened we use to send the city falks(elders, intellectuals, and businessmen) to mediate between the nomads, it was a very sucessful arrangement. However; when the anarchy started in the cities, we use to call upon religious leaders to mediate between the fighting "Reer magaal", it worked most of the time. Now what we have is "Kaaf iyo kala dheeri, yaabka yaabkiisa" when the religious leaders started sqaring off among themselves in the bush and in the cities, Do we have any  resources left to send to the Mosques to mediate between our religious falks?. "Dadku haduu bukoodo, dawadaa lagu dabiibaa; hadii dawo bukooto, maxaa lagu dabiibaa? Dadku hadii uu oomo, durduradaa laga cabaa; hadii durdurki oomo, darkee laga waraabshaa? waa su'aal da' weynoo, madaxa daalineeysee, adoo dagan u fiirsoo, dadweeynahana la weeydii!     daljir @ 5/28/2009 11:26 PM EST  The Sufi rebellion is unlike what we have seen the past 19 years with Al-itahad or Al-shabaab. The Sufi War is far for Islam and Allah. Allah will send the angles to fight side by side with the true muslims who will diffend there Religion and Culture. This battle will be similar to that of Sayid Mahamed Abdulle Hassan. Insha'allah Somalia will be a Modern Islamic State under the leadership of Ahlusunna; the closest to allah in worship.     ozman @ 5/26/2009 4:38 PM EST  I completely agree with brother Zyidka.  You have distinguished yourself from the rest, at least in my view. The dilemma is though, which group is more dangerous than the rest and needs to be faced first?  My answer would be Al-ithad what's now known as Al-shabaab.  Here's the reason.  The Suffi and the warlords aren't ideological, but Al-shabaab is, thus far more dangerous.  For instance, when the warlord goes to his grave, he dies with his influence, as in Ceydiid, Siad Barre, etc.  On the other hand, Al-shabaab is a self-replicating code, before one Al-shabaab goes to his grave he had already infected hundreds of others--he succeeds in that regard, before we know it, half of the country would call itself Al-shabaabi.  Also, Al-shabaab is an off-shoot of Taliban and Al-Qaida, who are religious fascists, and the only way to face off fascism is total annihilation.  Look at Pakistan and Afghanistan, few thousand fanatics have been replicating themselves for decades and now, neither the greatest military in the world (NATO) nor the million men army (Pakistani Army) can’t control them.  The reason, they believe either go to your grave with 72 virgins in waiting or win by defeating the adversary. For a fanatic, who lives in caves (Pakistan and Taliban) or live in knife’s edge (Al-shabaab), it’s preferable to die and enjoy his 72 virgins. In a sense, the fanatic wins by losing the battle. So my view is, obliterate Al-shabaab the rest is easy. I hope I make sense.     nuun @ 5/26/2009 1:02 PM EST  From today, I'm sufi also known as Ahlusunna wal-jameeca, today looking around, they are the only people  I can recognize. Masha allah, That is  the env, I grow up, duqsi qur'aan with loox and  high pitch recitation, the religious study gatherings and Halaq's. This is the people of Sayid abdullah hassan and Ahmed Gurey, hell with shabaabs terrorists who never study religion and eritrea funded dabadhilifs.     Sahalsiidi @ 5/25/2009 6:16 PM EST  Wiifgarow Ehlu sunna haddii nafta lagu dhibay oo bazuuke iyo hoobiye lala dul yimid sow maaha inay is difaacaan. Waad aragtay sida uu wadaadka u yiri alshabab waxay kasooo horjeedaan jiritaankeena sow xaladi bariga dhexe maaha. Mise waxaad leedahay ha la gumaado.     wiifgarow @ 5/25/2009 7:44 AM EST  Waar nimanyhow wallaweyn diimo badanaa? Oo kuwanina waa qolo kale miyaa? Annagu laba nooc oo keliya ayaanu leenahay: Macallin quraan caruurta alif la kordhebay noo bara oo meherkana aaanu ugu yeedhano iyo Timoweyn xadreeya oo gooni dega oo masaakiin ah. Idinka xataa suufiyadiniibaa kalashnikov sita. Ummad waalan dheh.     shabeel @ 5/25/2009 12:03 AM EST  I appluad peole of dusamareeb and their Sufi order for routing out these fanatics. We have to reject the Wahabbization of our religion. Sufis always stayed true to the Somali traditions and customs.Al-Wahabi fanatics and their alien system is in compatible with our traditions and ways     hymohamed2004 @ 5/24/2009 11:36 PM EST  Shanta, Are we here to exchange views or go after one another?  If lady Saba had different views in late 2008 but as time went on learned the plots the Somali people as a whole are facing and after looking at all of the groups in Somalia, evaluating all of the options before her took the right path, is that something that warrants some of the forum members defame her and go after her?  It is better we put the past behind us and let the lady express herself without harassment and defamation. Forget about 2008, I do not really care how many times I disagreed with any of the forum members here.   There should be no grudges that we have for one another.   If one is supporting a particular group, let him/her express views without constant sidekicks.   I hope I said enough!!     shanta @ 5/24/2009 11:14 PM EST  Hymo, Too late, you haven’t heard the news about the “Shifter” Mrs.Hirohito! She packing and will be incommunicado for a while- to re-invent herself once more. I know you are worried as to what form she might assume next time     shanta @ 5/24/2009 11:08 PM EST  I’m not against folks changing their point of views- but I can't tolerate fraud and impostors who have the audacity to insult others for having point of views similar to the one she had not long ago. Hell, this is like David Duke joining NAACP and condemning white supremacy.     shanta @ 5/24/2009 11:02 PM EST  Hymo, With all due respect- stay out of it this time. I shouldn't have restraint you back in dec.2008 when she was on your case.       hymohamed2004 @ 5/24/2009 10:56 PM EST  Allright, I think it is time all of the Dabodhilifs attack one individual who has a different viewpoints than theirs.       hymohamed2004 @ 5/24/2009 10:44 PM EST  Jeffrey is visiting areas under the control of militia backed Ethos and other aggressors. It is not areas under the control of real Xaq-U-Dirir.   I also think this guy is an intel guy who went there to encourage those Ahlul-Bid'a Wal-Jameeca to continue their fight.       shanta @ 5/24/2009 10:44 PM EST  "We are lucky if we can consider them just avarage Muslims,even that they failed to be." In your mind the same people are considered to be the legitimate? Or this John Kerry moment of "I was against them, before I joined them." Drastic change!       shanta @ 5/24/2009 10:37 PM EST  saba @ 10/28/2008 5:37 PM EST Lamadage dear, you complain of censorship, i was blocked second time,HOl thinks i am Stupid. Islamic law is not something you do on the move, you come to a town and voilla,all of a sudden you cut heads. No,no,no. ladies and gents that is not how it works. One must establish the said Islamic society first with it's legitimate, valid and approved Jurisprudents. Given that society is found and in place,even that ,in islamic history we have Sayid Omar allowing to break the fast during a drought . He who was drought stricken was allowed not to fast. I am begging the Somali fellas who post on HOL not to validate those thugs back home as if they are Jurisprudents, they are not. We are lucky if we can consider them just avarage Muslims,even that they failed to be.     shanta @ 5/24/2009 10:36 PM EST  saba @ 10/29/2008 4:01 PM EST Sahal, Aboow dadkaan in wadaad loogu waco ma aha ,taas sharaf aad ku siinaysiin. Nin kasta oo gar leh wadaad miyaa,hadday saas tahay SIXIROOLAYAASHA aa dadka ugu wadaadsan ileen ayakaa ugu dhar dheere. Waa Mujrimiin in layska qabto tahay. Xasan turkiga meesha haaysatana marka la rajminaayo ha la ii waco.     zayidka @ 5/24/2009 5:20 PM EST  what do we need to do in order to save what's letf our people? before now my claim   was let's recant  to sunnah, quran and islamic conduct. if we chosen islamic law why are we killed  everyday??????? sufis the old version of somali ulima are  not up to the task to educate us islamicly they are very tight on tradition than they are on KORAN AND SUNNAH. itihad is political party  whose goal is to gain controll while they might prefer to rule by sharia thus they did will do unislamic acts.islah is a unarmied party basicly they are itihad without gun and killing. takthirs are v very closse to egitarian in the west they stand against killing animals  for food. while we have all those differant  religiouse factions lets count tribal parties like snf.ssdf.usc.e.t.c. or outside powers that are in the game. eriteria supports  itihad note it is not muslim coutry but becouse of politics it stands with someone who says I will rule by islamic law ironic hoh. saudi goverment supports suffi while saudi paublic supports itihad. west supports sufi. where are we who do we the somalia people support? becouse let's be honest without our kids those so called leaders  would not have any say about somalia. what is the solution does any one know  or atleast have an idea????? I meant we can;t keep watching and only complain about it  but there has to be something else we can do. we know we didn't stand againts warlords  we watched and watched untill they turn us against each other and divie us in to not tribes but clans and sub-clans. we have leaned from them this time we should know better let's do something  and help our innocent civilians that die every day for no reason.     saba @ 5/24/2009 4:37 PM EST  Fabolous Comment that of Bobby on leaberman. Waxaan la yaabay Fulaydaan wax kasta qasta, maxay Terror maqaalkay ku arkaanba uga kala cararaan.     saba @ 5/24/2009 4:03 PM EST  Mercano, I agree dear, it is dhuusamareeb that mr Gentelman says has SUFIS. What a joke is this. Ciao Mercano, will be absent for a while.     saba @ 5/24/2009 3:45 PM EST  Correction.. My response is for none of you. Cheers guys, will be absent for a while from HOL.     saba @ 5/24/2009 3:44 PM EST  Baghdadi, Coming it from you of all people..Username "Baghdadbob". Somali waxay rabaan ma ahee wax kale ma arkaan. Saas ay tahay here it is for you. MY RESPONSE IF FOR NONE POF YOU. It is for the guys teaching me "inner jihad" and "purity" is good for you. Trust me, they got my point. Aside from that.... WHY ISN'T ANYBODY EXPOSING THESE GUYS AS THEY ARE?!! Don't we h'te Ethiopia anymore?!! Or was it only with Yusuf that we h'ted it?! And as you can see, a Known bouncer is already exploiting your comment, "jefery gentelman is good for us" is the massage. Tell me, when was the last time you all were concerned religious divisions of mr gentelman's FINE folks?!! These guys are Ethiopians and Ethio backed, you all know it. SAY IT. And let US practice the "inner jihad" itself in places where they are b'ombing. You can LOVE SHARIF if you want to, and still do that.     shanta @ 5/24/2009 3:22 PM EST  Why do you think Jeffery Gettleman is in Somalia? Is he reporting of local Jihad or global jihad? Why this man is receiving access to very sensitive areas controlled by the Islamist?   I think NY Times is financing the Islamist- so that they can print all the news that fits in one single newspaper. I thing J.Gettleman is related to Dick Cheney- if I’m not mistaken.     shanta @ 5/24/2009 3:13 PM EST  Of course Hussien Aided and Haji Muse Sudi are blaming the USA for having interjected itself into Somali affairs for so long, and this is the very reason of why the violence continues without an interval. May I add that UN is also sponsoring this mayhem, and furthermore, the moon doesn’t like us anymore, and Indian Ocean is the enemy of Somali- it produces pirates? Don’t get me started with Seychelles for they have robbed us of our flourishing tourism industry.     mercano @ 5/24/2009 3:02 PM EST  sister you are being bias and not bothered by the fueling of secterian ????!!! Sufi or Not, it is Dhu$amareeb, "Charity begins at home"     [email protected] @ 5/24/2009 2:36 PM EST  Boby, as usual, habartaani markii geel loo heesay goroyo u heestaa, naayaa comment about the topic at hand or sh*t up.     fiqicigaal @ 5/24/2009 2:31 PM EST  Yow! alshabaab loser wa ya say to the Sufi man who wants inner purification and peace? kkk     baadiyow @ 5/24/2009 12:44 PM EST   Bob waa caadadeed ceebteed ma aha...     baghdad bob @ 5/24/2009 12:26 PM EST  saba For some unknown reasons somalis have a knack for changing subjects and suddenly introducing some wild topic. We are discussing somali issues and here we go you deflect all back into USA, Afghanistan, Iraq etc       saba @ 5/24/2009 12:09 PM EST   NY TImes, can you kindly recomend the "inner jihad"- to be "Pure" to American Army in Iraq and Afghanistan?!! Can you please do that. Because we Somalis already know who those well CHOREOGRAPHED- chanting Hubuushis and merchants of de'ath are.

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