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Gaadh'haye @ 5/18/2008 9:08 AM EST  Ayoub, That man is Ethiopian guy with Muslim name.     laylasamatar @ 5/18/2008 7:30 AM EST  and by the way we have crushed your uncivilised bunch few times through out history, and I suspect 1977 won't be the last.  We are the night worriors we shall rise again, and please do not forget anything because we won't, you shall never never sleep in peace, the white man won't protect you forever.       laylasamatar @ 5/18/2008 7:26 AM EST  Ayoub repeat lies enough to make it sound a reality, what ethiopia , you mean ard alhabasha, the stupid tribe that had disappeared, anyway, ethiopia is the make up of the white man, nothing called ethiopia in the Quran or the bible, sorry love try again later.  Somalis are the only winners if the new colonial map of Africa is lifted one people one language, one culture and one religion.  Whereas your beloved ethiopia will disintegrate to tribal (different language, religion, culture...etc) enclaves which are already tight together with a thread.  What civilisation you are talking about, isn't your country where naked men and women are still roaming around the land urinating while standing everywhere.  Perhaps maybe you should spend the time clothing them and tamming them instead of waging wars on your neighbours.       danabka garxa @ 5/17/2008 6:07 PM EST  To : Ayuub Walaal ayuub waxaan ku idhi xaqiiqada nolosha aadamaha marka hore raadi intaad leedahay siyaad pupet buu ahaa. Ma maqashay CARAB IYO LABADIISA DAANBA WAY IS DIIDAAN. sIYAAD WALAALIHIISA SOMAALIYEED EE GUMAYSTUHU HAYSTUU XORIYAD LA RABAY. and there`is nothing wrong about that. France iyo britain ba waxa taariikh soo kala dhexmaray ma ogtahay? English iyo Irishka ma ogtahay? Ha odhan Ethiopia iyo Somalia waligeed dhibaato ma dhex ool,oo waa laba meel wada yaal Laba walaal ah baa is dila is ka daa wax kale . Mar kaa Nin raga markaad tahay waar rag yahaw maanta markuu arinku meel qadhaadh maraayo yaan dabada godlalagaline calool adayga oo cadawga axmaarka ha la iska celiyo. Cid ala cidii kale waa walaaleheen balse axmaar dawladiisa iiiiii iiiiii baan leehay     Ayoub @ 5/17/2008 1:19 PM EST  fiqicigal, why do you chose to fool yourself? There was nothing called somalia before 1960. Ethiopia accpted both Christianity and Islam thousands of years before somalia even existed as a country. Ethiopia and somalia(1960) never fought a single war based on religion, siad barre the italian puppet had this grand ambition of taking half of Ethiopia and his madness led to the collapse of the somali state just 30 years after its fabrication by the italians and british colonizers. fiqicigal because you have this turkish mentality you have nothing good to say about Ethiopia. turky by the way was DEFEATED by the Ethiopians during their diabolic attempt to colonize it.     Ayoub @ 5/17/2008 1:01 PM EST  Gadhhaye wrote,  "can’t believe the foolishness of your comment. Read the following link and tell me whether Somalis had history spanning less than 200 hundred years as you say. Our history predated that of Abyssinia. But because we were “oral society”,  it was not documented. I really can’t believe the stupidity of your comment" Gadhayhe, somalia was non existent before 1960, in what is today somalia there were few nomads who roamed all over Africa with camel. There is no ancinet sturcture in somalia to speak of, somalia never had a King or a queen, there is no documented history at all. southern somalia was created by italiand and the northern part was created by the biritish colonialists. The article you posted is written by a western man and he claims the eact location of the place he called punt can not be located to this day. Is suspect this "punt" is an imaginary land. I usualy read so many flaws on articles and books written by western scholars.     Ayoub @ 5/17/2008 12:44 PM EST  Ismael warsame, your article is full of emotion and distortion. There was nothing called somalia 500 years ago as you claimed. somalia was fabricated by the british and italians in 196o like many other African states. In what has become somalia in 1960 there were nomads with camels who roamed all over Africa. Ethiopia did not have any colonial connections as you claimed, the italians who are said to be Christian burned so many Ethiopian Orthodox Churches while they attempt to colonize Ethiopia three times but the Ethiopians were not easy they fought hard and kept themselves FREE from subjugation of the european devil. It is a fact that the italian army during its several attempt to subjugate Ethiopia had people from the somali nomad, libyans were also in their army as libya was an italian colony. Ethiopia is one of the richest nations in terms of natural wealth, history and culture. It's economy is in bad shape as a result of bad governance since 1991. The egyptians depend on the Ethiopian Nile river for their very livelihood as the somalis(shebele river) and many other African countries do. As for your invasion claims, it is not true as well. The Ethiopian army was invited by somalias president Abdulahi Yusuf to protect it from mad mullahs such as hassan dahir aweys and his mentor xashi ceyrow. The mad mullah hassan dahir aweys waged jihad on Ethiopia, therefore Ethiopia had to oust the islamists and back up Abdulahi Yusuf, as no one wants a blood thirsty man like hassan dahir aweys in their neighborhood.     1Liban @ 5/16/2008 8:16 PM EST  Etheopia don't have any plans for somalia to become a peaceful land. Visit http://www.saakow.com for more info.     simbe @ 5/16/2008 9:52 AM EST  Hadal weyn dhagaysta oo xaqiiq ah. Somalidu waxay ka soo jeedaan ancient Egypt waana dadkii dhisay Arhaamta.Somalida marka layiraado Faraaciin baa wax noo galeen, waxay ku leeyihiin ma kii ilaahay nacay baad wax noogu dartay! Xaqiiqdu waxay tahay umaddii halkaas ku noolayd, dagaalo badan oo xoog lahaa oo lagu sooqaaday iyo Dagaalo dexdooda ahaa darteed waa ay soo qaxeen. Waagaas sida maanta markay dhibaato dagaal dhaco waxaa loo qaxaa meesha ay dhaqaale iyo nabadi ka jirto si wadamada westiga maanta loo aado. Carigaas oo Punt la oran jiray waagaas maanta (Somaliya) Bay u qaxeen oo sida Westiga ahayd waagaas.Umaddii dhulka degenayd oo laga sanco horeeyey waa la bara kiciyey waana dadka GAALA loo yaqaan, waana meesha ay Somalidu ka keentay GAALO.Afka Somaligu waa afkii Masaaridii hore ku hadli jireen oo waxbadan laga bedelin.waxaan la sheekaystey nin American Egytologist ah wuu yaabay markii uu maadaama uu Afkii hore ee masaarida yaqaaney,mar walba oo eray Egyptiyaan sheego kii afsomaligu isku mid noqdeen. Meeshii buu yiri waan hubaa in af Somaligu ka soo jeedo kii Masaaridii hore.Ama fircoon inkira ama ha inkinina Halkaas baad ka soo jeedaan.DNA-provna waa la hayaa.     danabka garxa @ 5/15/2008 9:00 PM EST  Walaal laylasamatar, sorry my first comment waxay ku socotay undertaker oo u yar baahan in uu kala saaro arimaha : Dulinimo hadaay kula soo gudboonaato, mar ka hore umadu way ka dhiidhidaa, khilaafka dhexdooda way tuuraan oo waxay iska dul qaadaan gumastaha kadibaa wixii u baahan hagaajin umadu si sharaf iyo dhaqan wanaaga ah uga wada hadlaan sidii somali xeerkeed ahaa.     danabka garxa @ 5/15/2008 8:43 PM EST  Wxaan lahadlayaa undertaker, walaal wali dhulkeenii nabad baa la isku hayaa sidii loo helilahaa adna waxaad ka hadlaysaa a modern way of solving problems Waxaan ku leehay walaal wayeelka iyo wax garadkaa wax laga dhagaysan jiraye : Maalintaynu dhulkeena nabad kusoo dabaalno, een dawlad somaaloo dhan matasha la helo aaynu dhisno dhulkeena ,een ummadu ay u bislaato democratie, oo la dhaafo anaa reer qudhac ah ama reer galool  ee danteenu noqoto sidaan dhulkeena u horumarin lahayn ba wax kale la raadin intaa ka horaysa se somaali horay u tidhi futo aanad lahayn laguma xaaro.     danabka garxa @ 5/15/2008 8:28 PM EST  Laylasamatar, walaal nothing personal but we just trying to discuss in a civilise way, waxaan ku idhi ma jirto qoomiyad aduunka dhulkoogii iyo dadkoogii oo lalaynaayo tidhaa forget about the past( remember 9/11 how patriot people in america became and the rest of the world) We will abeviously look what is wrong between us when our country will be free from occupation. But for the moment wax KALE OON  AHAYN XORAYNTA DHULKEENA MOYEE IN AY JIRTO IDHIDHII IDHIDHII ODHADHAA ODHADHAA UDHUDHUU UDHUDHUU LOOMA BAAHNA HADALKAA EE DADYAHOW TOOSOO TOOSOO ISKU TIIRSADA EE HADBA KIINA TAAGDARANEE TAAGEERA WALIGIINEE SOMALIYA HA NOOLAATO     laylasamatar @ 5/15/2008 6:35 PM EST  and inanyahow miskiinka ah, the origin of modern humans is beleived to be from the horn, specifically the first successful human migration to populate the rest of the world is beleived to have sat off from Somalia namely a place called Laas Qoray.  Pls do not respond before you do a thorough investigation and then tell me who preceded the other.  My dear I ( AS A SOMALI) AM THE WORLD AND THE WORLD IS ME.   pls googl: our African Eve, and maybe try to watch Geldof in Africa (When he stood in Laas Qoray beach and pointed out to this history).  Good luck.     laylasamatar @ 5/15/2008 6:30 PM EST  Undertaker it seems that dhagaha in lagaaga soo kaajey by whether ethiopians or the white man who deculturalised and reinvented the history to suit their emperial needs.       laylasamatar @ 5/15/2008 6:14 PM EST  Sorry (undertaker) I am referring to the term "ethiopia".  In the Quran there is no such thing as ethiopia there is (Ard Alhabasha" and Habasha my dear is a tribe in Ethiopia it is just like referring to majeerteeniya (which is where majeerteen clan lived).  So don't confuse things while habasha refers to a tribe, ethiopia means literally "the black people".  The term is new and was recently invented when people who didn't want to live together such as oromos, habashas, somalis, ...etc where forced to come together.     QE @ 5/15/2008 5:51 PM EST  "We can blame each other but nothing will change until we change ourselves...." Brother Warsame - something is wrong fundamentally with Somalia, and until we all realize and fix it, the suffering won’t stop and will continue forever.     fiqicigaal @ 5/15/2008 12:39 PM EST  Guys, the beauty about this forum is we can all post our comments regardless of our differences in ideas and views in and out of somalia and that is a previlage . But what is sad and disgraceful is when every bum sitting behind a computer writes daft and baseless comments . Take OVEREDGE and read how he had lied about somali history when he foolishly wrote that Somalia did not exist for two hundred years . And he has the ignorance to say that Somalia and Ethiopia never fought over religion and both countries were never enemies for the past five hundred years . Can you believe it? trust me he is either a prolific lier or he had lost his memories and he needs a check up from the neck up         undertaker @ 5/15/2008 9:48 AM EST  TO:LEYLA SAMATAR waad ku mahadsantahay for ur creative new ways of thinking TO:OVEREDGE waad ku saxsantahay fikradada ah in somalia wax la yira eysan jirin before 200 years ago,somaliane ey qeyb ethiopia ka mid ah eey eheyd Balse sida ku cad taariikhda includin taariikhda islaamka ethiopia waxey jirtay before nabiga intusan imaan qarniyaal ka hor oo waati saxabada ey soo dhaweeyeen TO:GAADHHAYE Our history predated that of Abyssinia. But because we were “oral society”,  it was not documented!!?? oral society?  kala saar taariikhda saxda iyo waxii malo ah mise ethiopia naceyb darteyd taariikhda saxda ha kharin this nothing h. to do with dhibatada taagan wayahaan wax cadeyn ah lama haayo somalia iney jirtay sida ethiopia oo kale ilaa qarniyaal ka hor even mohamed inta u  san  soo bixin sida iska cad ,madama somalida ey la wadaagto ethiopia wax badan, dhaqanada,midabka light ka eh, and more  somalia part of ethiopia ayeey eheyd 2 qarni ka hor mise 3 qarni.. TO:ISMAIL WARSAME NINKA QORAALKA QORAY sida ey sheegtay layla samatar looma baahna qarnigaan geedo danbe in lagu xaliyo dhibatada somalia waayo aduunka looma fiiriyo kaliya sida shalay oo kale balse horay aya aloo socdaa, germany vs france dagal xudeed baa dhexmaray balse hada wa heshiis,wax walibane thro diplomacy ayaa lagu xalin karaa not always qoray iyo xabad,,wax diin ahna iskuma dagaalin ethiopi vs somalia, sida somalida oo dhan la socoto dagaal haduu dhacay waa only DHUL, jooji PROPOGONDADA,sida kale waxa soo jeedisay geed hoostiisa in la fadhiisto laguna xaliyo dhibatada somalia,waxaan ku leeyahay waxa la joogaa casrigi technolojiyada,xaq ma ahan somalida iney geedo hor fariistaan sidi waagi somalida DHARKA CAD WADAN JIREYN,QAARBA EY QAWANAAYEEN,MISE QEYB KA QAWANAYEEN CAWAANIMO DARTEYD MA SIDAA BAAD RABTAA ? Xiligi dadka qawanaa oo dharka cad wateyn na hagi jireyn wa laga soo gudbay waxa loo baahanyahay fresh aproach oo ah xiligi aqoonta iyo maskaxda wax qaban laheyd,xiligi dowlad secular(cilmaani)democrat ah lagu dhaqi lahaa wadanka,waxi diin ahna eysan soo dhaafin misaajidada sidi turkey..     undertaker @ 5/15/2008 9:46 AM EST  TO:LEYLA SAMATAR waad ku mahadsantahay for ur creative new ways of thinking TO:OVEREDGE waad ku saxsantahay fikradada ah in somalia wax la yira eysan jirin before 200 years ago,somaliane ey qeyb ethiopia ka mid ah eey eheyd Balse sida ku cad taariikhda includin taariikhda islaamka ethiopia waxey jirtay before nabiga intusan imaan qarniyaal ka hor oo waati saxabada ey soo dhaweeyeen TO:GAADHHAYE Our history predated that of Abyssinia. But because we were “oral society”,  it was not documented!!?? oral society?  kala saar taariikhda saxda iyo waxii malo ah mise ethiopia naceyb darteyd taariikhda saxda ha kharin this nothing h. to do with dhibatada taagan wayahaan wax cadeyn ah lama haayo somalia iney jirtay sida ethiopia oo kale ilaa qarniyaal ka hor even mohamed inta u  san  soo bixin sida iska cad ,madama somalida ey la wadaagto ethiopia wax badan, dhaqanada,midabka light ka eh, and more  somalia part of ethiopia ayeey eheyd 2 qarni ka hor mise 3 qarni.. TO:ISMAIL WARSAME NINKA QORAALKA QORAY sida ey sheegtay layla samatar looma baahna qarnigaan geedo danbe in lagu xaliyo dhibatada somalia waayo aduunka looma fiiriyo kaliya sida shalay oo kale balse horay aya aloo socdaa, germany vs france dagal xudeed baa dhexmaray balse hada wa heshiis,wax walibane thro diplomacy ayaa lagu xalin karaa not always qoray iyo xabad,,wax diin ahna iskuma dagaalin ethiopi vs somalia, sida somalida oo dhan la socoto dagaal haduu dhacay waa only DHUL, jooji PROPOGONDADA,sida kale waxa soo jeedisay geed hoostiisa in la fadhiisto laguna xaliyo dhibatada somalia,waxaan ku leeyahay waxa la joogaa casrigi technolojiyada,xaq ma ahan somalida iney geedo hor fariistaan sidi waagi somalida DHARKA CAD WADAN JIREYN,QAARBA EY QAWANAAYEEN,MISE QEYB KA QAWANAYEEN CAWAANIMO DARTEYD MA SIDAA BAAD RABTAA ? Xiligi dadka qawanaa oo dharka cad wateyn na hagi jireyn wa laga soo gudbay waxa loo baahanyahay fresh aproach oo ah xiligi aqoonta iyo maxkaxda wax qaban laheyd,xiligi dowlad secular(cilmaani)democrat ah lagu dhaqi lahaa wadanka,waxi diin ahna eysan soo dhaafin misaajidada sidi turkey..     undertaker @ 5/15/2008 9:42 AM EST  TO:LEYLA SAMATAR waad ku mahadsantahay for ur creative new ways of thinking TO:OVEREDGE waad ku saxsantahay fikradada ah in somalia wax la yira eysan jirin before 200 years ago,somaliane ey qeyb ethiopia ka mid ah eey eheyd Balse sida ku cad taariikhda includin taariikhda islaamka ethiopia waxey jirtay before nabiga intusan imaan qarniyaal ka hor oo waati saxabada ey soo dhaweeyeen TO:GAADHHAYE Our history predated that of Abyssinia. But because we were “oral society”,  it was not documented!!?? oral society?  kala saar taariikhda saxda iyo waxii malo ah mise ethiopia naceyb darteyd taariikhda saxda ha kharin this nothing h. to do with dhibatada taagan wayahaan wax cadeyn ah lama haayo somalia iney jirtay sida ethiopia oo kale ilaa qarniyaal ka hor even mohamed inta u  san  soo bixin sida iska cad ,madama somalida ey la wadaagto ethiopia wax badan, dhaqanada,midabka light ka eh, and more  somalia part of ethiopia ayeey eheyd 2 qarni ka hor mise 3 qarni.. TO:ISMAIL WARSAME NINKA QORAALKA QORAY sida ey sheegtay layla samatar looma baahna qarnigaan geedo danbe in lagu xaliyo dhibatada somalia waayo aduunka looma fiiriyo kaliya sida shalay oo kale balse horay aya aloo socdaa, germany vs france dagal xudeed baa dhexmaray balse hada wa heshiis,wax walibane thro diplomacy ayaa lagu xalin karaa not always qoray iyo xabad,,wax diin ahna iskuma dagaalin ethiopi vs somalia, sida somalida oo dhan la socoto dagaal haduu dhacay waa only DHUL, jooji PROPOGONDADA,waxa la joogaa casrigi technolojiyada,xaq ma ahan somalida iney geedo hor fariistaan sidi waagi somalida DHARKA CAD WADAN JIREYN,QAARBA EY QAWANAAYEEN,MISE QEYB KA QAWANAYEEN CAWAANIMO DARTEYD MA SIDAA BAAD RABTAA ? Xiligi dadka qawanaa oo dharka cad wateyn na hagi jireyn wa laga soo gudbay waxa loo baahanyahay fresh aproach oo ah xiligi aqoonta iyo maxkaxda wax qaban laheyd,xiligi dowlad secular(cilmaani)democrat ah lagu dhaqi lahaa wadanka,waxi diin ahna eysan soo dhaafin misaajidada sidi turkey..     undertaker @ 5/15/2008 9:33 AM EST  TO:LEYLA SAMATAR waad ku mahadsantahay for ur creative new ways of thinking TO:OVEREDGE waad ku saxsantahay fikradada ah in somalia wax la yira eysan jirin before 200 years ago,somaliane ey qeyb ethiopia ka mid ah eey eheyd Balse sida ku cad taariikhda inclidin taarich islaamka ethiopia waxey jirtay before nabiga intusan imaan qarniyaal ka hor oo waati saxabada ey soo dhaweeyeen TO:GAADHHAYE Our history predated that of Abyssinia. But because we were “oral society”,  it was not documented!!?? oral society?  kala saar taariikhda saxda iyo waxii malo ah mise ethiopia naceyb darteyd taariikhda saxda ha kharin this nothing h. to do with dhibatada taagan wayahaan wax cadeyn ah lama haayo somalia iney jirtay sida ethiopia oo kale ilaa qarniyaal ka hor even mohamed soo bixin sida iska cad ,madama somalida ey la wadaagto ethiopia wax badan, dhaqanada,midabka light ka eh, and more  somalia part of ethiopia ayeey eheyd 2 qarni ka hor mise 3 qarni.. TO:ISMAIL WARSAME NINKA QORAALKA QORAY sida ey sheegtay layla samatar looma baahna qarnigaan geedo danbe in lagu xaliyo dhibatada somalia waayo aduunka looma fiiriyo kaliya sida shalay oo kale balse horay aya aloo socdaa,waxa la joogaa casrigi technolojiyada,xaq ma ahan somalida iney geedo hor fariistaan sidi waagi somalida DHARKA CAD WADAN JIREYN,QAARBA EY QAWANAAYEEN,MISE QEYB KA QAWANAYEEN CAWAANIMO DARTEYD MA SIDAA BAAD RABTAA ? Xiligi dadka qawanaa oo dharka cad wateyn na hagi jireyn wa laga soo gudbay waxa loo baahanyahay fresh aproach oo ah xiligi aqoonta iyo maxkaxda wax qaban laheyd,xiligi dowlad secular(cilmaani)democrat ah lagu dhaqi lahaa wadanka,waxi diin ahna eysan soo dhaafin misaajidada sidi turkey..     Gaadh'haye @ 5/15/2008 6:50 AM EST  OVERTHEDGE, I can’t believe the foolishness of your comment. Read the following link and tell me whether Somalis had history spanning less than 200 hundred years as you say. Our history predated that of Abyssinia. But because we were “oral society”,  it was not documented. I really can’t believe the stupidity of your comment. http://wysinger.homestead.com/punt.html     danabka garxa @ 5/15/2008 5:38 AM EST  Waxaa layaable overedge and laylasamatar hadalkiinan. Miyaynaad ogeyn in aduunku uu ku dhisan yahay Tariikh? What u mean by forget about the past? takale,ethiopian  qoom la yidhaa ma jiro,balse umad la yidhaa somaali weey jirtaa. Maanad akhrisan axmad guray tariikhdiisii? haday jawaabtu tahay maya, waxaan idinkula talinayaa dib taarikhdiina ugu noqda and be patriot defende your people and your nation from the invader. Don`t you know when Germany invaded France, the french people had a resistant? Many thanks Ismael warsame. Waxaanan hadalka ku soo xidhayaa : "Nooy baa tihiin aan qalbiga nuurba loo galine                                    Naarquutayaal iyo kufraad nabiyo moodeene                                    nasab hadaad tihiin,gaaladaad nici lahaydeene"     OVEREDGE @ 5/15/2008 4:55 AM EST  "...They fought over everything from land disputes, religion, geopolitical hegemony, and more. It is undisputable fact..." Sidaas ayaa la yiri miyaa, mise waa xaqiiq?. Somalia and Ethiopia never fought over religion, and both countries were never enemies for the past five hundred of years, in fact Somalia did not exist for 200 years, Abyssinia did which today's Somalia was part of. Now that is the fact.     laylasamatar @ 5/15/2008 1:54 AM EST  oh man, forget the past, today is a new day with a new reality.  Our problem is that we are so fixated on the past and are unable to move on and come up with a creative new ways of resolving conflicts. what is this tree and sand he is talking about, there is not tree left we burned all my dear, the only choice we have left is to gather under the concrete!!!!I suggest if you cannot be constructive don#t say anything at all.

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