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Why Kenya and Ethiopia ought to annex and divide Somalia 


by DONALD KIPKORIR, dkipkorir@ktk.co.ke
Friday, October 03, 2008

Last month, Lehmans Brothers and Merrill Lynch, the world’s foremost investment banks, went bankrupt and we witnessed the financial chaos in the western capitals.

In the fog of international headlines on finding a financial bail-out in Washington, a rag-tag army of 50 semi-naked men on rickety boats captured a ship carrying 33 T-72 tanks, rocket-propelled grenades and anti-aircraft guns off the coast of Somalia.

The capture of mv Faina and the stalemated talks amid the surrounding American and Russian warships made me think that maybe this is the time to find a final solution to the Somali problem.

Since 1960, the country has been a lawless state that is a haven for terrorists and pirates. The pirates have told us the destination of the captured weaponry causing tension and panic in Washington, Nairobi and Khartoum.

If it is true that the final consignee was the government of Southern Sudan, as they allege, I will be on the same page with the Kibaki government for the first time.

I am a fervent supporter of a strategic foreign policy even if it attracts us enemies of such malevolent and despotic regimes as that of Khartoum.

Supporting the Southern Sudan government is in our long-term strategic interest and we should not shy from it. The truth of the matter is that as a Western ally, Kenya is an existential enemy of Arab countries, Sudan included.

Annexing Somalia is thus in our strategic interest and we must do it now as the financial meltdown continues to take away the attention of the world.

Somalia as a state exists only in world maps. It is a classic case of a failed state. It is a state dismembered into as many independent units as there are sub-clans. Its 90-strong cabinet is emblematic of the actual number of units.

The Horn of Africa country has no functioning government. The so-called transitional federal government, led by Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, is confined to a shell-shocked presidential compound.

There is no standing or even sitting army or judicial systems. By all accounts, Somalia is a black hole in international law. Together with Afghanistan and Pakistan they are known as the training grounds and refuge for international terrorism.

Kenya has been a victim of such terrorism, leading to near-destruction of its tourism industry. We cannot afford another such attack. We have the potential to develop our tourism to compete with, if not outpace, Egypt and South Africa. But we cannot do so if Somalia continues to be a non-state.

Somalia neighbours Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Of these, it is only Ethiopia and Kenya that have strategic interest in Somalia. Djibouti is a primitive entrepot that can’t even supply water to its 600,000 people, who are forced to drink that imported from France or Coca Cola. Therefore, Djibouti is out in the quest for the final solution to the Somali puzzle.

Kenya and Ethiopia must and ought to dismember Somalia and divide it between themselves along the 4 degrees latitude, each taking all the land below and above the line.

The division will make both countries extend their territories by roughly 300,000sq km and additional populations of about five million.

Once Kenya and Ethiopia have sent their combined army to Somalia and declared the annexation, we will present to the world a fait accompli.

In 1845, America annexed Texas from Mexico and forced the Texan legislature to pass a specific legislation stating that it accepted the annexation. The annexation has stood to date and, for good measure, President George W. Bush is a proud American Texan.

For Kenya and Ethiopia, having the Somali legislature to endorse the annexation will be cake-walk. At any given time, most, if not all, Somali legislators are in Nairobi.

We will have them convene in one of our hotels and to pass the appropriate statutes dividing their country.

When the allied forces liberated Germany from Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, they sent the bill to Berlin.

Our cost of annexing Somalia will be settled by Mogadishu. Somalia is known to have huge deposits of oil, natural gas, uranium and iron ore. Immediately after the annexation, we will invite our strategic foreign friends (not China please) to come and exploit the resources for us.

Kenyans ought to know that although Somalia is a failed state, its positive statistics are impressive. Without a structured economy, its gross national income per capita is US$600 (Sh40,000), when ours is $550 (Sh36,800). Of its universities that operate without budgets and with armed militia guarding them, three are in Africa’s top 100.

International law forbids the use of force by states against the territorial integrity and political independence of others. Somalia doesn’t have either.

But the law also recognises irreversible processes like the extinction of states such as in the USSR, emergence of new states from former USSR and Yugoslavia, and annexations like that of Texas. International order hates reversing completed processes, more so if the world is a better place.

If we do not annex Somalia and now, we will be a victim of its failed status and pulled down by it. We will not be able to achieve our strategic foreign policy in the region, or attain the Vision 2030 goal.

The time to annex and dismember Somalia is now; Washington and Moscow will be grateful.



DONALD B. KIPKORIR holds a Bachelor of Laws, LL.B (Hons) Degree from the University of Nairobi and a Postgraduate Diploma from the Kenya School of Law. He is an Advocate of the High Court of Kenya (admitted in 1992), with wide experience in Commercial Litigation, Insurance Claims, Advertising Law, Defamation, Debt Recovery and White-collar Crime law, Copyright, Trademark and Patent law. He is also a member of the Law Society of Kenya and a former member of its council. He has served as a Director in Kenya Post Office Savings Bank (Postbank).



       
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99 comment(s)
abdullahmuslim1 @ 10/8/2008 10:32 AM EST
 allah xamdu lillah waxaa mahadleh eebaha inaga dhigay muslimiin
oo aan naga dhigin gaal hadana gaal aan caqli laheen
oo na sida uu ufolxunyahay uuna caqligii suna uxunyahay

KIPKORIR WHERE IN THE WORLD ANYONE LIKE YOU SHOULD TALK AT ALL?
NOT THE WORLD I LEAVE BECAUSE YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE NO BRAIN AT ALL
Gaadh'haye @ 10/8/2008 9:08 AM EST
 Momo,
Lol...
momo519 @ 10/8/2008 7:04 AM EST
 dalkaygaSomalia,

Wadani baad iska dhigi, Hawiyana dhulka ayaad ku jiidi. Wadani baad iska dhigi, Ogaadeena waad u hiilin. Aga, war nacasnimada ma Cigaal Shiidaad baad kala mid tahay?
dalkaygasomalia @ 10/8/2008 4:12 AM EST
 ogaadeen haddii uusan jireen soomaaliya ma jirteen

ogaadeen la'aantiis hawiye yaa u dagaalami lahaa??

ogaadeen la'aantiis yaa itoobiya la dagaalami lahaa??

ogaadeen la'aantiis yaa diinta islaamka soomaaliya
ku faafin lahaa??

ogaadeen la'aantiis soomaaliya taariikhda ma gasheen ee
ogaadeen waa aabihii soomaaliya

guul xasan turki

guul mukhtaar rooboow

guul al-shabaab

guul soomaaliya

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=53OUfSXIg10


someone @ 10/8/2008 3:47 AM EST
 Here is your grade MR wise man!

History - F. Why? Somalia was NOT lawless state since 1960.
Brain/IQ - (-ve 1845) Why? I don't have to tell you this. You admitted that you have the view of those in 1845 Texas cowboys.
International Relations? O please! Should I grade your basic Civics?

Since when cattles learned how to post on the web and communicate with people, in human language?
jj @ 10/7/2008 11:46 PM EST
 HAHA; do not underestimate Donald's article; it is on going debate about how to divide Somalia and wipe it out of the world map. I do not worry about it as I departed nearly 20 years ago with one-shirt-one-trouser and a pair of shoes. Infact, Somalia is a failed state. The blame is every somalis including myself-Not Kenyan or Eithiopian. HUH! Have nice sleep and I am looking "Kanataabulusha" "Kenyan ID". Take easy and ease your nerve!
diinow @ 10/7/2008 3:51 PM EST
 Please Mr. Kipkorir! Edit the map. Dont give my district to Ethiopia. I don't like them!!! I would rather be a Kenyan!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
momo519 @ 10/7/2008 3:29 PM EST
 I cant help but chuckle when I see this map. It cuts off at Hiiraan. All the trouble maker Somalis are above the line, which means they will be part of Ethiopia. LOL! If this map becomes effective, Ethiopia will never rest. Kenya meanwhile has all the reasonable peace-loving Somalis. Ha Ha!
dalkaygasomalia @ 10/6/2008 11:30 PM EST
  addoonta sanbuuqadda weyn ee soomaaliya laga eryey
waxaa ay ahayd arrin sax ah loona baahnaa.

sidoo kale ummadda soomaaliyeed shareecada ISLAAMKA
ayey qaateen, itoobiyaanka bakhtigiisa meel walibaa
ayuu tuuran yahay waana la gubayaa bakhtigooda

guusha waxay ku dambeysaa Al-Shabaab iyo ummadda soomaaliyeed
stickorcarrot @ 10/6/2008 7:49 PM EST
 Woow

Somebody wrote controversial article and this is how
you respond? You have to know, this guy is an individual
and his writing is not policy of a state. All he told
us is how he sees this never ending problem of this
failed state. Your response should be:

Why this cannot and should not happen and tell your
argument. Or agree with him and tell your point of view
in support of his point. That is the two options you
have.

This simplistic argument and name calling like
monkey, gorilla, etc just reinforces his argument
of that Somalia is a nation that cannot govern itself.

And by the way, those of you who are calling him
Monkey, Gorilla, Adoon...i assume because he is
black man that is why you guys are very generous
using these words against him. How strange is this?
when will you stand next to mirror and see your
reflection..assuming that you are Waryaa?

If you have argument against this article, do so
intelligently, if not choose which one you rather go
Addis or Nairobi.. i would have chosen Djibouti but
he disqualifies so I would choose Nairobi as my Capital

Habari Waryaa..hakuna Shifta lol
Somali is raacd @ 10/6/2008 6:59 PM EST
  I can't even believe you wasted your time to think that Somali is a dividable country. For your information we Somalis may fight or kill each other but deep down in our hearts we will never let such thing happen to our country. Before you wrote you article did you try to check back the history in east Africa how the Somali heroes got their independent before even Kenya. You see you are day dreaming to get our beautifully country and ladies to quote what you said “Somalia is known to have huge deposits of oil, natural gas, uranium and iron ore “ to get the gas or the source in Somalia. We are trying to get Ogaden from Ethiopia and NFD from Kenya and one day we get our dreams. The fact that Somalis are Islam doesn’t mean that we are territories. We will never be this territories thing is not going to be an excuse for you or  others who are just like such as Ethiopian. On the other hand do you even know the lives of the refugees and how they are suffering In Kenya and Ethiopia. For my follower brother and sister this is a wake up call for us we can’t watch our country to be divided or sold Somaliyee toos isku dirsatee
amina_samajecel @ 10/6/2008 5:58 PM EST
 Mr. Kipkorir - Somalis are not represented by the legislators
that you wrote "We will have them convene in one of our hotels
and to pass the appropriate statutes dividing their country".

Somalis are more intelligent, patriotic and more visionary than
the bunch of warlords selected by your compatriot Kiplagat.
Maybe with the Ethiopians he had in mind your absurd plan.

Anyway, your former president admitted that a strong Somalia
is not in the best interest of both countries (Ethiopia and Kenya).

You should have read Somalia's history before writing. Just for the
record from 1960 til 1982 Somalia was the best in East Africa.
Somalia helped the ANC and other freedom fighters in Angola, Mozambique
and Namibia. Insha Allah, Somalia will re-emerge as a unified and strong
country.


abdiaziz2007 @ 10/6/2008 1:52 PM EST
 ITS time..its a solution to our problem..its good for our country and peaceful resolution .
xinfiniin @ 10/6/2008 1:21 PM EST
 Guys have a look at this,
the guy in red is indeed donald monkey kipkorir,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318988,00.html
momo519 @ 10/6/2008 12:19 PM EST
 I cannot help but to keep reading this article over and over again. Everytime I read, I pick a new point. Now, I dont understand how this writer is trying to appeal to the Americans while questioning or jeopordizing the territorial integrity of America. He is advocating that Texas is a legitimate state of Mexico. That is a dangerous move. This article will put Donald's career in serious jeopardy. If Donald had his way, Texas will be part of Mexico!
draganov @ 10/6/2008 12:05 PM EST
 I see, the primitive urge, the anger, the rage, the violence. The hallmark of my Ilk. Well, my first reaction was the same. How this Primate dare to fathom the idea of annexin somalia. HMMM. but they have done that with the help of the British. The sujuu today are extemely happy calling themselves Kenyans. If Kenya can offers us, like thier sujui a better alternative to the butchery and savegary, its a great idea. we shall not insult the man, but weight his argument.
what the hardcore fanatics are offering to somalia is annihilation,and what this Kenyan is proposing is far superior. before you rant, look at NFD, better education,less violence, peace, and relative prosperity.

the solution you may ask, Dont worry about ethiopia, or kenya FOCUS, on unity. Stop this absolutist ideas. Support Peace in somalia.

As for our Kenyan brother, he has a point of view, and what better time for him to push it forward. heck , look at us, look at Somalia.

Respectfully
dalkaygasomalia @ 10/6/2008 8:54 AM EST
 addoonkan sanbuuqada weyn wuxuu iska indho tirayaa sidii
kiinyaatigu baangadda iyo faaska hal isbuuc gudihiis isaga dileen
ugu yaraan 2000 oo qof, kuwan oo aan qoryo isugu dhiibnay
oo aan isku hubeyno baa ay sheekadu ku dhamaan lahayd !

waxaan soo jeedinayaa baaq ku socda ummadda soomaaliyeed
ee walaalaha ah ee hadda nayroobi lacagta iyo maalgalinta
ku sameeyey, waxaana ku leeyahay, addoon cawska cuna
iyo itoobiyaan tuunji ku xaara waa ay inoo cadeeysteen
cadaawadda ay noo qabaan (haddii aynu nahay SOOMAALI).

haddaba, aynu sii adkeynno dagaalka itoobiyaanka lagula
jiro oo waadba aragtaan inuu bakhtigiisii meel walibaa
tuuran yahay, sidoo kalena aynu kala baxno wixii lacag
iyo doolar ah kuna dhisno dalkeena quruxda badan iyo
xeebtaas dheer ee 5000 kun ee mayl ah.

sidoo kalena aynu lacagta ku taageerno MUJAAHIDIINTA
AL-SHABAAB EE XASAN TURKI iyo soomaalida kale ee dagaalka
cadowga kula jira.

soomaali waa walaalo, waana dad isku dhiiga ee aynu
ka baxno sheekooyinka hoose ee wakhtiga naga dilay una fakarno
sida addoonkan naga liitaa maskaxdiisa uga shaqeysiiyey.

Soomaalida waa dadka ugu wanaagsan ee adduunka ku nool
balse waa dad la isku dirayo oo shisheeye ka dhex-shaqeynayo
balse waxaas oo dhami waanu ka gudbi karnaa haddii
aynu taageerno MUJAAHIDIINTA.

soomaalida waligeed waa ay wada nooleyd (iyada oo aaneysan
dowlad jirin), wax macno ah oo ay leedahay ma jirto
haddii aynu dowlad la'aan iska ahaanno (marba haddii
la helayo midnimo soomaaliyeed iyo nabad ay soomaali
deris ku ahaato oo ay ku kala badbaado).

tiro ma leh inta qof ee qabyaaladdu naga dishay,
sidoo kale lama soo koobi karo inta qof ee aynu
xaasidnimo darteed u dilnay, u xasaradeyney, iwm

waxaas oo dhami maanta waa laga soo gudbay, maanta
dagaal afkaar iyo aragti ku dhisan ayaa lagu jiraa, waa
laga baramoosey dagaalkii qabyaaladda iyo dagaaladii
nin-tooxsiga ee waxaa lagu jiraa labo mid uun kala dooro:

1. itoobiyaan

2. diinta islaamka iyo shareecada

haddii aynu muslim nahay, oo aynu si dhaba u aaminsannahay
diinta, waxaa inoo dan ah shareecada islaamka iyo
xukunka kutubka ALLE

taas baa inoo fududeyneysa wax waliba oo hadda aanu
moodno inay buur nagu tahay

aynu dhexda xiranno una soo jeesanno in aynu dalkeena
ka xoreyno cadowgan ummaddeenii qaadka ku seexiyey
ee shilimaadkii reerka lagu biili lahaa ama caruurta
bariiska loogu iibin lahaa daroogo nooga iibsaday.

qaadka iska dhaafa, iska dhaafa inaad dhul shisheeye
lacag iyo doolar galisaan (waad la socotaan south afrika waxa
ka socda), iska dhaafa shakiga iyo xumaan raadinta,
iska dhaafa in si fudud la idiin kala qaybiyo oo
addoonkan oo kale nagu daacdaacsado.

waxaa laga maseyrayaa sinjiyadda soomaali ee aynu
iyada u dhimanno.

soomaaliga afrikaan iyo carab midna ma'aha ee waa
SOOMAALI

http://www.kataaib.net/BAKHTIGII%20GAALADA.html
Maharaan @ 10/6/2008 8:48 AM EST
 Donlad Kipkorir have succeeded in one thing,
TO CREATE DEBATE.
Gacaliye@ @ 10/6/2008 6:00 AM EST
 Yes, I call this monkey exactly what he is:  JUST A MONKEY and I am an extremely outraged SOMALI.  Mr.Kiporir, falarii gil'gilasho kagama hartoo, as we say in Somali!  Somali-NFD is not going to be forgotten as long as a single Somali is living on earth.
momo519 @ 10/5/2008 9:34 PM EST
 Monkey? Ha ha! Black Somalis trying to discriminate another African by calling him a MONKEY! LOL. Name-calling doesn't change a thing. And if you live in the west, you know who the mokey is!
Gacaliye@ @ 10/5/2008 8:48 PM EST
 Those who live in glas houses shoud not start throwing stones!
mustafa-ii @ 10/5/2008 8:45 PM EST
 Some Somalis here are calling this mans wild dreams "A solution to our problems " when they know too well how terribly these two sates treat the occuppied Somali territories.  Such maangaabnimo and backwardness mentality is what is messing up what used to be Somalia.  The anti Somalian alliances of these two nations seems to be getting stronger 40 years later.
Gacaliye@ @ 10/5/2008 8:13 PM EST
 No monkey is supposed to come up with better solution than yours, Mr.Kipkorir!
@ 10/5/2008 5:25 PM EST
 sawirkan wuxu i xasusinaya sheekadii aheed WADA JIR WAA LAGU GUULEYSTAA KALA TAGNA WA LAGU JABA... Waxa la yiri Nin waayel oo xoolo badan iyo caruur badan lahaa ayaa maalin malmaha ka mid ah xanuunsadey waxa la geeyey isbitaalka. Asigoo weli nool ayaa wiilashiisa waxay isku dagaaleen sidii dhaxalkii loo kala qeybsan lahaa. Odeygii wuxu iskugu yeerey wiilashisi wuxu ku yiri markaad i imaneysaan qofwalba horey labo ul ha u soo qaado. Odeygii wuxuu arkey in wiilashiisa uu sheydaan soo dhexagalay oo naceyb aad u weyn ka dhex dheliyey ayna hilmamen in ay walaalo yihiin. Odeygi wuxu ku yiri wiilashiisa qof walba ulaha uu sito mid ha jebsho. Wiilashii waxay ulahii u jebiyeen si fudud. Odeygii wuxu ku yiri ulaha harey isku keena u dhiiba walalkiina ugu weyn asiga ha jebiyo. Walaalkii waa u jebin waayey waayo ulaha way tiro badnaayen. wiilki weyna wuxu yiri "aabo ma wada jebin karo ulaha dhamaantooda ee aan mid mid u jebiyo" aabihi wuxu ku yiri maya maandhow isku wada qabo ulaha ee jebi. Wiilki wuxu ku yiri aabe ma jebinkaro waa ay adagyihiin. Abahii wuxu ku yiri hadii aad isku duubnataan cidna idinma jebin karto lakkin hadii aad kala dhaqaaqdaan oo aad colowdaan adinkana sida fudud ayaad u kala jebeysaan. Odeyga wuxu u digayey caruurtiisa ineysan kala jebin cadowgana aysan u fududan. Laakin sadly somalida waa ay kala jabtey dad is heysta oo isku xiran oo hal qorshe wato ma'ahan waa ay kala jebeen cadowgana waan u nugulnahay. I wish with all my heart that my country will be back as strong, proud and beautiful nation. I hope my somali people unite again and save our nation and our people..Somalia waan ku soo duceyey in Ilaahey kaa dul qaado cadaawada, waxa dhulka dhiig ku daadinayo waxa umadaada dhibayo Allaha qabto Ameen.    
fiqicigaal @ 10/5/2008 5:16 PM EST
 Xinfiniin,
I think the magnitude of his ill-fated dream mission to dismember a sovereign state had just started to sink in him and he has provided the oppurtunity of his defeat when he elaborated how he wants to share our country and its people with Ethiopia. How naive and reckless one can be when one claims to be a lawyer and advocates violence and huaman rights abuse.
xinfiniin @ 10/5/2008 4:51 PM EST
 The filthy monkey got the drama rollin' but the saga will haunt him. Wish we could give him to dirty south whites as a christmas gift and then collect his body hanging from a tree on the 26th Dec.
xinfiniin @ 10/5/2008 4:41 PM EST
 Dear Fellow Somalis,
The monkey has replied to my email. Although i cant put everything here this is what he said in part 'I respect your argument and free thinking and i expect the same from an intellectual person like 'judging by your way of writing'. You have called me a worthless monkey, hungry ape and sub human canibal. This furor was all caused by an article which you seem to disagree with'.
momo519 @ 10/5/2008 2:08 PM EST
 Somalia doesn't have a territorial integrity, therefore Kenya and Ethiopia could just enter as they please? Is that the writer's argument? Well, if he had done some basic reseacrh, he would have found out that Peter Malanczuk, a strong international law scholar, view that “… a state does not cease to exist when it is temporarily deprived of an effective government as a result of civil war or similar upheavals."

I used to think Kenya's education system is very competitive in the international scene. But if this guy is an LLP graduate from Kenya, God help Kenya.  He writes with high-school rhetoric adn a less than basic understanding in International Relations and International Law.

Having said that, the idea of Somalia entering a marriage contarct with another state sounds hopeful. If we could not run our house, someone else should run it for us.
kaafi07 @ 10/5/2008 1:08 PM EST
 I dont think kenya is able to go into the Somali. We all know how weak kenyan army is .Now Ethiopain army are running out of Somali.They want escape,they sorrunded by brave somalian MUJAAHIIDIIN.So what do think kenyan fools.They think they can get UGALI in somali. Come on we will teach  a lesson u will never forget
adamjama @ 10/5/2008 12:28 PM EST
 Kenya & Ethiopia should split their own creation that is TFG war lords & their foot soldiers & for a bonus we will throw in the pirates.
Baardheere @ 10/5/2008 12:12 PM EST
 Guys, dont take it serious of antying this subhuman ape have said. If he was intellegent enough he wouldn't have talked like that. The ape should have saved his energy on his people who if there was no international community they would have exterminate themselves long ago. The country is on the brink of ethnic civil war. I would say bring them on and let them come to somalia and you will start the irreversable process of anexing more Kenyan territory. Daanyeeryahow.
dollarbill @ 10/5/2008 11:54 AM EST
 you have no idea of what you're talking about do you Mr.
You just wanted to make the headlines with you're fiction notions. well I tell you what you haven't putted any thought to what you're saying here at. you see first of all you don't just go into somebody's country and divide it, cause there there are living people in that country that will react to everything surrounding them.The second thing is that even if you divided Somalia apart I promise you it will be the end destruction of both Kenya and Ethiopia. you talking about having terrorism in your neighboring country, how is it better when you invite it in to your country. You don't know how violently the people Somalis will react and this isn't the 1960s where you just march in to a country and claim it.  
nadiya208 @ 10/5/2008 5:21 AM EST
 Sorry, i left out the most sincere of all Baadiyow.
Sorry mate, Baadiyow rajja ma leh qoomkaan Somali,nin kasta
oo geel daaqa u hogaamin jiray wuxuu ismoodaa inuu Hogaamiya noqon
karo,kaaga daranee waxaan dantiisa ahayn ma ka fakaro. Marka walaal
haddii si kasta loola hadlay inay ka sii daraan ma'ahanee aan xalka kale
jirin waa in laga tashadaa.

Waxaan u malaynaa qof macquul eh inuu intas fahmi karo.
Shanta's comment isthe only one that reminds you all of yourselves and how
you reached to thins point,the rest are either brushing off or calling names.

Evaluate yourselves,may be this is the last call for you to preserve your existance
and it is coming from the most unexpected places. EVALUATE YOURSELVES.

All Nomadic tribes must Quit seeking power, each must choose non nomad to lead them.
May be it is not too late after all.
nadiya208 @ 10/5/2008 4:49 AM EST
 Zingi,
Qof lala doodi karaa tahay,inkastoo macluumaad badan oo qalad eh aad
haysato haddana waxaad iila egtahay qof xal raadinaaya.
Haa Itoobiyaa ku haysata ilaa 1995 oo si toos eh kuu haysata,waligeed kuma qabsateen
hadaad igu talo tahay. Waxaad war ka maqashaan tolka,waligiin ma dhagaysataan dad wax tar eh
oo aan kugu tol ahayn,waan Raja dhigay walaal,waa inaan inta yar ee aan cudurka doqonimo qabiil qabin
ugu yeeraa inay is badbaadiyaan,si kasta.

Nomadic1 and Dr Cabdirahman,
Sorry for you guys,i know you both are sincere but the majority here aren't, just read what they wrote,
do you find Anger,Angst,despair,frustration and most of all CALL TO SANITY . No, you will read Sankadhuudhu,sanqaroor,
Addoon and Daanyeer. Ask yourselves: Do these comentators care? .

Naqradhshe, Yeh, They think insults will save them,they think they are stil n charge so long as a clansman is holding
a gun and shooting all directions,That is strenghth for them.

Shanta and Carawlo, it is time for to join saving Banadir and that will include Mombasa nad Zanzibar as it always did,
Baghdadbob is on board. Time to separate the sane from the Nomad.

Waan idiin digay walaahi,my people have warned you TIME AND AGAIN, Allah is our witness.

somalipeace10 @ 10/5/2008 3:35 AM EST
 This gentleman have articulated what has been the policy of Kenya and Ethiopia for the last 40 years. The former president of Kenya said it out loud publicly that the only reason Ethiopia and Kenya are against Somali Peace is they are afraid that strong Somalia will claim North Frontier District(NFD) and Western Somalia. When Ethiopia and Kenya sponsored the so-called Mbagato conference they had that strategy in mind, that is why they selected the most notorious warlords and crowned them to represent Somalia. However, that plot failed and the TFG warlords failed.Ethiopia illegally invaded Somalia and tried to impose the warlords on Somali people and rule Somalia by proxy, but Somali people people heroically resisted Ethiopian occupation and defeated it.I think this proposal that a country must be dismembered will have a far reaching consequence not on Somalia but on Kenya and Ethiopia. AS we know Somali people, although they have their problems, are homogeneous people and they interact each other even at the time of conflict.However,it is different in Kenya and Ethiopia, we have seen how Kenyans were massacring each other with machetes, we need only to give them AK-47s and the and there will be no Kenya any more. Remember, NFD still belongs to Somalia and we will come to get it. I believe that Ethiopia's trial failed, and Kenya is a weak country. I think the militia of Sheikh Hassan Turki can drive Kenyan army out of NFD, it is time to make preparations and we to take our land back   and we will see who dismembers who.
naqraadshe @ 10/4/2008 11:56 PM EST
 somalidaye,

Dhabnimadii ma haboonayn inaan kuu jawaabo markii horeba, waxaad u muuqataa qof iska hadal uun wax u soo qoraya.

Kuma aan oran waad i cayday, ee waxaan ku iri: wax kale iguma eedayneysid aan ka ahayn "ninka maqaalka qoray in la caayo ma habboona". Waayo caydu wax xal ah kuuma keeneyso. Waxaa hagaagsan in si' huffan oo dood cilmiyeed ku dhissan lagu wajaho, waana in lagu baraarugaa khatarta ka iman karta hindisayaasha shisheeyuhu la yimaado ee noocaas ah, laguna dhaqaaqaa wixii baajin lahaa iney rumoobaan.

Yaan qoraaga la caayin uun baad ka gubataye, sxb aniga eed kale iima haysid. Waanna ka xumahay inaan kuu jawaabo laba jeer, waayo uma ekid qof daacad ah.      
zingii @ 10/4/2008 11:37 PM EST
 Nadiya,

Itobiya ima heysato ee waxaa i haysta waa QABIIL. taariikhda
dib u baar, waxaadna ogaaneysaa itobiya inaa anigu haysanjiray
oo dagaal walba aan lagalo ineey shisheeye u yeeranjidhay, ee
walaaleey anigu ITOBIYA wax macna leh ha iiga dhigin. hadaad
arkeyso bey waxay iska celin la'yihiin kuwo aan garan la'ahay
dantooda siyaasadeed iyo wixii damacsanyihiin. marka makula
tahay iney shisheeye la'aantiis iska keen celin karaan? NO
ogowna fuley inuusan dagaal guuleysan balse laga guuleysto.

DOOD FURAN.
somalidaye @ 10/4/2008 11:14 PM EST
 naqraadshe, anigu kuma cayn ee dib ugu noqo waxaan
qoray. waxaan ku iri miyaadan soomali ahayn wadiga
ku haya adinku,adinku,adinku,hadaadan ahaynna
isaga tag meesha. Taas haddii ay cay tahay hadde,
adigaa garaadkaaga wax u dhiman yahay oo u baahan
inaad dib isugu noqoto. Waakaase hel hal qof oo kugu
raaca inaan qoraalkii hore kugu caayay. Mise waxaad
tahay dadka qaxootinimada ku cusub tahay oo jecel
in ay gaalada ka dhaadhiciyaan in ayage aanay
soomaali ahayn. Marka dib isugu noqo oo anigu inaad
ii haysato inaan ahay indheer garad iyo in kale
I really don't give a rat's a$$.
naqraadshe @ 10/4/2008 10:12 PM EST
 somalidaye,
Waa iska caddahay inaad igu qoonsatay inaan iri ha catamina ee sxb ma in la caytamaad soomaalinimada u taqaan?

Haddaba aan kuu sheegee: markaad dad is qabataan lama caytamee, si' huffan oo dadnimo ku jirto ayaa looga gar baxaa oo dantaada loo difaacaa.

Tan kale, sxb adiga kulamaba kadlayne, malaha tusmadaydii baa kugu adkaataye, aan kuu jilciyee, waxaan la hadlayey oo aan guubaabinayey soomaalida inta indheer-garadka ah oo u danqaneysa dadkooda iyo dalkooda.
umm wadani @ 10/4/2008 9:46 PM EST
 Assalumu alaykum dhamaantiin

aniga waxay ila tahay ninkan qoraalku qoray in ay faaiido ku
noogu jirto, waayo asagu waa cadow Allah ka hadalsiiyay,laakiin
angu hadaa soomaali nahay goormaan hurdada ka kaceena goormaan
aan reer hebel iska daynaynaa goormaan live serious u qaadanaynaa
gormaan in aan iska deeyno cayda fadhi ku dirirka ah aan nafteena huraynaa
mar wal cadowga hadlo ama usha agteena ku dhufto inqaylqalina baa hadana meesha
ka tagnaa. waxaa allah ka baryayaa in qof walba oo soomaali wadani sax ah oo qabiil maskadiisa ka maqantahayahay
in uu naga dhigo ku howl kar ah oo hadal yar wadankooda dadkooda anfaca as whole not as tribe.

Dr.abdirahman @ 10/4/2008 8:12 PM EST
 This is very good article. Somali needs such a solution. It is amazing and I am glad to read such an article.
Runtii waa maqaal aad u fiican. Maxaa yeelay Soomaliya waa in laqeybiyo oo lagu kala daro dalalka Kenya iyo Ethiopia. Runtii waxaannu ognahay in aannu haddaba kala qeybsannahay. Oo aannu kala nahay REER HEBEL IYO REER HEBEL. Waannu is dilnaa oo aannu is dhacnaa. Waxa aannu aduunka intiisa kale ku heyno waannu ognahay. In nala kala qeybsado waa xalka ugu wanaagsan. Waanna aannu soo dhaweyneynaa. BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO.
Soomaliyey wixii isu keenna keenay ayaaba khalad ahaa. Maadaama aannu qabaa il isneceb oo is dagaalsan aannu abidkeen ahaan jirnay.
Mahadsanidiin
somalidaye @ 10/4/2008 7:53 PM EST
 naqraadshe, adigu miyaadan soomaali ahayn?
Aaway plankaagii? aaway qabiil la dagaalankaagii?
Haddaad somali ahayn meesha isaga bax oo soomaali
baa halkan kuwada hadasha, haddii kale u hadal sidii
qof somali ah.
Maharaan @ 10/4/2008 7:45 PM EST
 Waa loo jawaabay, take a look:
http://www.somalipressreview.com/view.php?articleid=929
naqraadshe @ 10/4/2008 7:17 PM EST
 Sheekadii beryahan la isla dhex marayey oo ahayd: "Dhammaan xubnaha baarlamaanka ee Baydhabo joogaa waa iney tagaan Kenya halhaas oo shir lagu qaban doono, maadaama aaney Baydhabo ammaankeedu sugnayn". Sheekadaas iyo qorshaha uu Donald Kipkorir ku soo bandhigay maqaalkiisan, wexey u muuqataa iney is rumaynayaan.

Waxaad mooddaa in markey xildhibaanada soomaaliyeed dhammaantoodu ku soo xeroodaan Kenya, lana geeyo meel loogu tala galay, in si kedis ah la soo hordhigo dokumenti horay loo soo diyaariyey laguna amro iney saxiixaan, siduu tilmaamay qoraaga maqaalku. Halkaasna Soomaaliya lagu kala qaybsado. Khiyaali bey kula tahay sow maaha? Adduunkan eynu joogno wax kasta filo.

Dadka caayaya ninka maqaalka qoray, soomaalidu tiraahdaa: "Af caytamay ninkiisuu dhibaa". Cay wax ku qaadi meysaane, wax qabad mahaysan? Dantiinna iyo Dalkiinna wax ma u qaban kartaan? Is xagxagashada sokeeye ma iska deyn kartaan? inaad is caffidaan, haddaad soomaali tihiin, oo nabad ku wada noolaataan, dalkiinnana wada jirtaan maku ku kici kartaan? Car sidaa yeelaa haddaan dad sharafle tihiin. Haddii kale iska caytama, idinkuna dhexdiina is dhila oo midnimadii iyo isku duubnidii isu diida. laakiin hadhow haka qoomamaynina markii duhur cad shisheeye dalkiina idin kala wareego.
shanta @ 10/4/2008 6:03 PM EST
 This is the beginning of our end! Save the state at any cost fell in deaf ears, save the nation in order to protect its strength and unity; that too failed. Somalia has therefore created a complex systematic profit driven groups of whose vision is to maintain the current violence, despite the suffering and humiliation which they have brought to our country in the past 18 years. Now the alternative seems to be of what our neighbors are contemplating: to annex this failed state and perhaps turn it around- almost all of us are entangled to vicious rule one another by force and burglarize an entire nation, while paving the way the demise of our existence. Somalia should have known better that this day would come…  
fiqicigaal @ 10/4/2008 5:40 PM EST
 Somalidaye,
Good thinking. I agree with you 100%!
omarsharif @ 10/4/2008 5:31 PM EST
 No matter what anyone of us, as Somalis, write here as an emotional reaction, the truth is if we do not unite and re-claim of soverignty soon, this seemingly unrealist, but testing article in the Kenya's Daily will become a reality!
somalidaye @ 10/4/2008 5:10 PM EST
 Sanqadhuudhi warkii iga daa. Isagaa la leeyahay.
Dadka kenya oo maalin walba u soo kalaha in ay
ajnabi ugu shaqeeyaan waddankooda oo lagu adoonsado.
Taas wadannimo uma aqaan. Goormeyse kenya yeelatay
awood ay somalia ku qabsato? Marka hore waddankooda
ha ka dhacsadaan ajnabiga boobaya. Kafeega,beeraha kale,
dalxiiska i.wm. kulligood waxaa haysata dad caddaan
ah oo wadanka boobaya. Waa sababta loo kala celiyay
markay isqabsadeen waayo caddaan baa ku maalweynaya.
Waa sababta Mugaabe looga hari la'yahay.
fiqicigaal @ 10/4/2008 5:08 PM EST
 HOL,
I don't understand why you deleted my coment when all i wrote was how we Somalis can see from the bottom of a well than this monkey can from a mountain top which is true. Or isn't it true that education is a crutch with which the foolish attack the wise to prove that they are not idiots? And who is this Kipkokir whom you gave a platform to verbally asault our nation and threaten to dismember our country and deny our existance? shame on you HOL!  
nomadic1 @ 10/4/2008 4:49 PM EST
 Abunael
I once wrongly taught that bringing foreign enemy into the equation will bring Somalis together. Now with Ethiopia wreaking havoc in our country, alot of people are not bothered about it and i am not sure wether any Somali would care what happens to Somalia. Anyway, Somalia will stay the way it is and Kenya does not have the guts to get anywhere near it. You dont throw stones when you are in a glass house.  
abunael @ 10/4/2008 4:32 PM EST
 This article should be a warning to all of us Somalis.
We should get together and mend our differences.
I am offended a quasi state like Kenya will annex Somalia.
This must be a joke and it will never happen.

I am 54 years and I am willing to go back and fight
for the Mother Land.

We Somalis will fight to the last person to avert such
dream by a meager country like Kenya.

Somali brothers and sister, let us put the differences
between us aside and united as people.

We speak the same language, have the same culture and we
all are Muslims.

nomadic1 @ 10/4/2008 4:05 PM EST
 The Daily Nation is so desperate to add weight to this article that they dedicated a whole paragraph telling us how credible this guy is. He allegedly graduated from a Kenyan university that is ranked below the supposedly failed Somalia’s universities.  I think he is advertising himself for the next pirate coordinator post after his country man’s arrest.
baghdad bob @ 10/4/2008 3:51 PM EST
 Nadi

that is sweden! expensive in every sense of the word. but again almost everything else is free! education, health care and transport. so you save alot more and spend alot more too, they even out. you can always claim a somali refugee, within 24 hrs they will give you some cash and a place to sleep lol
baghdad bob @ 10/4/2008 3:48 PM EST
 Nadi

I kind like the map though. All the wild animals are put in one area and under ethiopia. Then the cool southerners from muqadishu down under under kenya! how beautiful! cause down from muqadishu we have all the hard working cool somalis living under a democratic kenya. there is free and fair election! and we have already some 3 million somalis living in there, plus some 5 million we will be the largest group in kenya, so we can simply run for the presidency in kenya! a nice cool banadiri as the president of kenya! that is possible, very much possible. so lets help kenya verify who are the real southerners.
wariahe @ 10/4/2008 1:35 PM EST
 want to know more about the author check his website, www.ktk.co.ke
wariahe @ 10/4/2008 1:30 PM EST
 NO MATTER WHO  WINS, SOMALIA IS CRYING,
NO MATTER WHO LOSE, SOMALIA IS STILL CRYING
NO MATTER WHO IS RIGHT, THEY HAVE TO STOP THE FIGHT
NO MATTER WHO IS WRONG, THE DEVIL IS STILL STRONGER.

THIS APE LOOKING CABID HAS DRIVEN THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN THAT CARRIES THE SOMALI BODY.
WALALAYAL HOW LONG IS LONG ENOUGH?  AT WHAT DEGREE OF PAIN AND MISERY ARE WE GONNA STOP AT, WHEN WILL ENOUGH BE ENOUGH?
laylasamatar @ 10/4/2008 1:22 PM EST
 below comment is for n!!!!!!!!

nacaskan gafuurka weyn lehna loo ma baahna in loo jawaabo -
Liban_Libaax @ 10/4/2008 1:19 PM EST
 Send your kids who are doing NOTHING in the West and talk to them and get them to join the Military of their respective countries they're living in, in order to get training etc. And after they get training they can get out (as to not fight unjust wars, and kill innocents). Once they get the training then they can go to the Mother Country and be Military Trainers and/or Soldiers or Generals. We MUST defend our Ancestral NATION.
laylasamatar @ 10/4/2008 1:16 PM EST
 You really amaze me with your comments, not long ago you were insinuating that Somalia was not inhabited by Somalis, and then you implied that Banadir belongs to Arabs and Indians, then you claimed a superstitious old man called Abba to be a source for Somali history and now you come up with a whopping statistics of 80% you claim to be nomads in onother article!!!!.  You are one of the two, whether this says much about living in isolation while in Somalia and thinking that Somalia is in Banadir not the other way round and that who rules it was sheikh Abba, or you are some delusional person who is hoping to boost her self esteem.  Somalia is the land of the Somalis and certainly it is bigger than Banadir and Somalis are more than nomads.  Secondly where did you get this statistics from , did you count nomads against farmers, to fishermen, craftsmen, traders, and thousands of other things people do and did.  And how you came up with this figure or do you rely on your granny for info.  Have you ever wondered about the tomatoes and the onions in the market and thought of dadka beera and what about the fish!!!!!The statistics of the nomads you are repeating is what the nomads themselves use sidey tirade u badsadaan and it seems that you have fallen for that!!!!Takele, do you think actually banadir is the only region in Somalia.  It got an added value because the nation’s capital is based there nothing more nothing less.  There are many other important cities in Somalia throughout history.  And in relation to the piracy, first of all you are just repeating what you heard from others, secondly I don’t believe you can comprehend what at stake here!!!!!! I tell you darling Somalia is not like mambasa iyo zanzibar aad dadka leh dhafoorka oga xaartaan, I would suggest that you keep on dreaming or join your folks in mambasa and zanzibar as you suggested!!!!!!!!!
soyaal @ 10/4/2008 1:14 PM EST
 Doqoni waa tan walaalkeed daabka u haysata. Waxaad is dilayseen mudo 20 sano ku dhow go'aan iyo dowlad nimana waad gaari wayseen. Markaas xaqbaad u leedihiin in la idin kala qaybsado oo la idiin taliyo. Markii horeba uma qalmina inaad xoriyad heshaan ilaa la idinka bedelo dhaqanka reer guranimada oo la idin baro waxay tahay wadaniyadu. Ka xaxabiya wataas qolo kasta idin soo biyeysataye.
Baadiyow @ 10/4/2008 1:03 PM EST
 Wow this is the footprint of neo-cons in Africa. We might get offended about this article and still do nothing. That is Soomaalinimo, chit chat do nothing GREAT.

VERY SAD....
logs4017 @ 10/4/2008 12:52 PM EST
 LoL, Dreams ,, Sweat Dreams, its my first time to know that Kenya has an Army , LOL   WEWE KULA UGALI YAKO , KUMA MAKO.!!
Liban_Libaax @ 10/4/2008 12:21 PM EST
 We must Unite and create a defacto Gov't united under Nationalism fueled by Islam. In this World Strength is the bottom line. Read about the Realism Worldview of Political Science. We MUST be strong. If the Traitor and munafiq TFG read Machialvelli's -"The Prince" they would have known not to use a foriegn army to do their dirty work, b/c they JUST might try to stay.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 11:14 AM EST
 Xiinka,

I can not write nice things to you, HOL is against it.

Welcome darling as well.
xinfiniin @ 10/4/2008 11:02 AM EST
 N a d i y a ,
glad ur back' i have sent an email to the ape, still waiting for a response. Cant wait to send him bananas though dahabshiil soon.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 10:51 AM EST
 Bobby,

The three days vacation i had after work i tried to shop in the Galeria,
My God, what the hell is going o there. I could not buy anything,so Expensive.

How do you guys manage to buy anything there or are you over payed.
xinfiniin @ 10/4/2008 10:51 AM EST
 Can anyone give me the details of the British Empire. Apes need recolonisation.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 10:28 AM EST
 Bobby,

I am sorry to hear about the parent you lost.I pray toAllah the soul is
in better place.I hope you cope with it soon. That is life,you never get out
of it Alive.

I did not know dear that there is abennefit to collect in Kista,had you informed
me earlier i would have given it a consideration. You are mean to me dear.

I was sent by my company in Kobe. I must say that you have a great scientfic center there,
i was impressed indeed by the R&D going on there.

So,Bobby, wanna join us reclaiming old Banadir from baboonish Nomads!!
baghdad bob @ 10/4/2008 10:10 AM EST
 Nadi

did you come to kista to claim your benefits? lol or was your passport getting expired? lol long time! well, I had some terrible thing happen to me personally, lost a parent. However its all ok now.
baghdad bob @ 10/4/2008 10:07 AM EST
 These are trying times for the somali and muslim umah anywhere in the world. Good times are ahead of us as the well of deciet is drying up together with its resourecs. The american economy is tumbling to its knees as they try to save their own skin and the talk about joe biden to scrap off the 23 billion dollar aid (war expenditure in 3rd world countries)is a testimony to what is to come for the puppets of america and the christian right in E africa. The struggle will go on, our brothers in the muslim world are already begining to contribute for the war effort. This war will not be long, it will end swiftly and much to the advantage of muslims and somalis all over the world. The ethiopian parliament was just recently discussing a complete withdrawl from somalia (http://nazret.com/blog/index.php?title=ethiopia_s_opposition_demands_bring_the_&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1). we all know they are encouraged by their government to do so just to pretend they are withdaring due to internal pressures. men like lidetu can never say anything against meles unless they are given the gree light. The unease among kenyans is due to this fact.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 10:03 AM EST
 Back from quick lunch just to teach you a lesson or two..

Abdul-patriot,there is no room for you in Banadir discussion,as
many of your nomdic kin told you here HOL before(Go back and tend to your-
camels in the resserved area where you can Remain Nomadic forever).. Remain Nomad-
YOU GOT MY APPROVAL.

Danab1515,
You agin called the writer "Monkey"; if i may ask you, Please Post your
picture on HOL, may be you are the handsome somale (Male) that i am yet to see.
Who knows may be i fall in love with you.

For Banadiri folks, we can not take the burden of "Somali Nationalism" anymore,
we can not for the mere reason that Nomads are uninterested.

So think of this from the great SUN TZU:

HE WILL WIN WHO KNOWS WHEN TO FIGHT AND NOT TO FIGHT.

HE WILL WIN HE WHO KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE BOTH SUPERIOR AND INFERIOR ENEMY.

HE WILL WIN WHO,PREPARED HIMSELF ,WAITS TO TAKE THE ENEMY UNPREPARED.

You have the first ,not fighting 1991 ,the second and the third is to be achieved,
now is the time.

For all those decent ethnic nomdic Somais who appreciate life and liberty,you are welcome to
join us.

As for those who are minnimising the destruction you didof what used to be Somalia,well..
i don't know what to say to you. No where to start discussion with you.



maxamuud KGB @ 10/4/2008 10:02 AM EST
 Who this is MONKEY and what on earth is he talking about? I think this MONKEY business !!!
abdul_patriot @ 10/4/2008 9:33 AM EST
 this is crazyyyy, i must say, whoever agrees is whack and seriously demented to the core,
i heard someone talk about banadir and all this stuff secceding, let me tell you somalia's heart and soul is the nomadic way of life, it is our culture, it is how we
have survived for thousands of years, this land belongs to us, this mans call to annex more land from somalis in addition to those already denied re-unification shows the increasing confidence some kenyans feel,
those whom we looked down on as inferior know claim to hold our destiny and we ought to wake up, but thats years from know, somalia is a state on its knees but it wont fall and die because states have been in worse situations than this, to give up know
is absolutely unjust to our history and our future, this experience will not linger on it will make us stronger, somalia cannot evolve as a true state without going through this phase of growth, although devastating it will eventually bring us stability and prosperity, because a bloody
experience like this will bring people together and allow them to set concrete guidelines or even come out of it reformed with a new generation which despises this part of their history, this is the likliest possiblity, clannism is poisnious but it will not kill us. the unification of somalia will take many more years, to some people
here no clan will secede and Nadiya your suggestion is luaghable, i dont think banadiris have that much leverage. NOMADS WE WILL REMAIN FOR LIFE, even if we manage to erect sparkling cities.
Anna-waa-i-kan @ 10/4/2008 9:21 AM EST
 I really find this humorous.  It feels like the author is trying to use wit and humor by encouraging us to love our country.  He writes positive things about Somalia such as the natural resources. He writes about the progressive economy (Somalia's $600 gross income VERSUS Kenya's $550) though much of this money might go to few as millions of people are starving. He writes about top 3 Somali universities in the top 100 African universities.  This Wewe is smart.  He is using psychology to encourage us to better the situation of our failed state.  And I know we will insha Allah prevail.  
TheCleverOne @ 10/4/2008 8:57 AM EST
 Will this make our people get their acts together as it would any other group in the world or we'll still blindly follow the old clanist geezers who tell us our clan is the best and that all other clans are bad in the face of utter doom? Mr DONALD KIPKORIR is looking out for his country's interest, one would be wise enough to understand that to look out for your country is to look out for your family, if my country's situation improves, surely my family's situation would as well. Here's a man comfortably living in his country and callously calling out for the annihilation for another country to serve his country, he deems necessary to omit an entire country from the map to improve his country. Clearly, patriotism is the hallmark of education. He feels peaceful in his country to even post his email (dkipkorir@ktk.co.ke) and leaving tracks to his whereabouts.
Danab1515 @ 10/4/2008 8:54 AM EST
 The so-called writer just revealed the level of insecurities and paranoia among Kenyan elite feel of imminent danger from Somali Islamism or nationalism. Such paranoia is not new, we all heard couple of years ago from that former Kenyan president Daniel Arab Moi when he lectured on Students at US University.

The monkey writer’s insecurities came from what is happening to Ethiopian Army and the doomed adventure of Zenawi in Somalia. He thinks Kenya is next. But his fears are misplaced, what will destroy Kenya is an internal one. Kenya has been lecturing people on how democratic and stable they are…BUT last election showed how fragile their community is…and that it was all of sham….the seeds that will destroy is ripe and in place . I am glad we Somalis are getting through NOW… and on to something better…ISLAM.
Gaadh'haye @ 10/4/2008 8:50 AM EST
 Nomadic,
This is his contact details as writen above.
dkipkorir@ktk.co.ke
nomadic1 @ 10/4/2008 8:44 AM EST
 Nad, i am calling him an idiot in the sense that he talking an utter nonsense. just cos we destroyed our country doesnt necessarily mean we have to listen such idiots. By the way, we have far wosrse idiots in our backyard but cant afford to import the likes of this man.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 8:31 AM EST
 Nomadic1,

You know dear i neve talk back to you harshly but allow today to say
this to you. Why are you calling this man an I.diot?!.

Who is the Idiot here the one whose land is being taken or the one who is
planning to empower his country?!.

You need to address the so called Somalis here and i mean ethnic nomadic somalis,
they are the ones who made us all volnurable. Address them, i give you a tip, first
suggestion, NO Nomadic Clan seeking power ever again in somalia.I know it is too late,but
as they say better late than never.

Srart you all to constructively self criticise instead of cursing others.

I must go for lunch now, so long.
nomadic1 @ 10/4/2008 8:22 AM EST
 Somebody needs to reply to this guy. HOL can offer a platform to rebuke this idiot. What out!!!
@ 10/4/2008 8:15 AM EST
 Cajiiiiiib walaahi, Cajabii!!!.

Sell out Somalis like me Nadiya!!!.

Ilaahay baan idinku dhaarshee bal soo aqriya waxaan umadda noocaan
oo kale kula talin jiray muddo. Maxaan ka iri damacooda doqonimo ee qabiil,
maxaan uga digay Piracy inay tahay wax ka wayn waxay moodaan, maxaan u sheegay
inay ka haraan dabin walba ay ku dhacaayaan, maxay u heeseen markay maqlaan buracad badeed,
maxay ugu yeereen Somali SCG.

Waligiin ma aragteen Burcad badeed markab malaay xadaaya qabatay oo adduunka tustay,waligiin ma aragteen
ayakoo markab qashin daadinaa qabtay. Allah maxaad u heesteen,maxaanse idiinka digay.

Maxaad qabiil la kala safateen,meeqaan idiin sheegay kuligiin qabiil kasta ka dhalo
Nomad is not qualified to lead. MAANTA MA ANIGAA SELL OUT eh?!.
Oo maxaa jira yacni, inaan ku taliyay kuwaan khayr ma ka soo socdee Mantiqadeena noo doona. Ma qaladaa taas?!.

Lamadage, do you have any other plan ,other than threatening people?. Do you.

Wiil Isxaaq @ 10/4/2008 8:03 AM EST
 Maasha Allaaah!

Good man wrote this article. And dadka fiican ee caafimaadka qaba, sirtooda way dhameystaan intaanay guriga dhaafin. Laakiin doqonkii "somalia" iga sheegtay, mar walba meel buu isku qaawiyaa "aree i fiiri nooh, boowe boowe" lol.

Mac sonkor caleen shaah! ilaahayoow faashah la idinkula soo dhacaa idinka iyo Eastleigh isku sheegiina.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 7:54 AM EST
 Danab1515,

So you are one more of them, an extra to be exact.

It is funny how you all know what is wrong with others
and not what is hellish about you nomads.

Do you even know what is the word Somali,who gave it to you,
and when. Isticmaarka aad sheegayso waa kan somaliya sameeyay,waa kan
in baday inaan maanta adiga kula murmo 18 sano aan ku iraah war doqon yahaw
ka joog. waxaad tahay kan lafaha mantiqadaydii Banaadir kala baxay,waxaa tahay
mid aan inuu afka ka yiraah ma ahee aan matiqadna jeclaan karin.

Car waa kaasee ku noqo ee caashaqa meeshaad ku dhalatay oo xuduntaada ku duugan tahay.

Nationalism is euphomism for opportunism for you and your likes.
Teeda kale ma aan jecli dadka inaan cunsuriyeeyo sidaadoo kale iyo liban libax laakiin waxaan
kuu xusuusinaa haddii labadeena mid midka kale Bantu ugu yeeri lahaa,waxaan fiaa inay tahay inaan
adiga kuugu yeero, laakiin ma ihi dadka magacyada xun u labisa qalqiga ilaahay.
Trust me it would have been you that deserve the name from my side.

Halmawduuc aad ka hadashay waan soo dhawayn lahaay haddii aan ahay qof amina reer guuraa taasna
waa tan aad Islamka ku cuksatay, Laakiin marna ma ihi mid idin aaminta,waan idin aqaan,s fiican.

As for liban libax, it has been you somalis who have been behaving Monkey like for 18 years.

Lamadage @ 10/4/2008 7:51 AM EST
 What this idiot Kikuyu has said is not new to those people who knows Kenya and Abyssinian dream. What is new is his audacity to air his views. Forget about disremebering Somalia at the hand of Kenyans and Abyssinians. On contrary, Somalis will disremeber Kenya and Abyssinia insha Allah sooner or later. U may ask how?

First: Kenya was crafted by British in 1930 with different people ie Luo, Kikuyu, Luoyos, Akambe, Kissi, Massai, Giriyamba and Muslims ie Somalis and Arab coast.
If anything goes down to drain it will be Kenya. 2007 has proven that Kenya is only by name and cooperate interest. If they go what we went thru they will be history long time ago
Second; We disremeber them by supporting Rift Valley and Nyanze people let alone Turkana and muslims to have their own indepence countries.

We can craft a policy of supporting Rift valley luo indepence dream by weapon and port in lieu of their support of Somalis in NFD (North/Eastern Now) Coast to be independent from Kikuyu Zambian control.
Rest you don't need to know in detail.


Allah wuxu yiri, "Carada afkooda way ka muuqatay, xiqdiga ay qalbiga idiin ku qarinayaan ka weyn"

We have to bombard a lot of emails to this idiot, telling he is wanted among Somalis. After that, soon you will hear he is in front of Home Affair office or INS begging asylum. Rest of wannabe writers will get the message.


Khalli almasiiratu tastarmirru walximaaru yanhaqu
Danab1515 @ 10/4/2008 7:34 AM EST
 To: Sell-out Somalis like Nadiya and Bantuus..

Somali markii ay warlodkii contract soo qaatey la eryey, dalkana la islaaxiyey, diina lagu xukumay waxay ka xanaajisey Maraykan iyo Amxaar iyo dabadhilif soomaali ah oo munaafaq ah. Maantase..Amxaar iyo dabadhiilif jab oo waxa lagu kuusey qaybo kamid Xamar iyo Baydhabo... nasriga Allena waa soo noqdey......

Somaliya mustaqbal wacan baa u soo socda. Islam huwal xal....ninkii aan rabin qurbaha ha iska joogo....ama ninkaas kaafirka ah ee aan kaadida iska meyrin...oo Monkey u eg...deris  Kenya ha kula noqdo.....awalba Somaalinimadiina shaki aa ku jirey.

Somaaliya Soomaali baa leh....ka naxoow nafta waaa.....waxay noqonaysaa Soomaaliya meesha Muslinka geeska Afrika oo dhan laga maamulo....Ethiopia waa burbureysaa...10 sano ee socota....Kenyana sidoo kale....Xuduudahaan uu dhigey gumaystahan waa la tirtirayaa..xadkana waa meesha uu ninka muslinka ah degen yahay.....waa Gaal iyo Muslim....KEE TAHAY ADIGU?
Danab1515 @ 10/4/2008 7:08 AM EST
 Mr Donald need to know...

Ethiopias army who were called Lions of Africa, tried and lost within two yrs. Now their travel between Mogadisho and Baydhabo takes them a week...where it use to take just couple of hours. They wet their pants when meet the resistance. They lost city by city and soon forced to withdrew.

Even though Somalis have no tanks, airplanes or ships, and were fighting each other 17 yrs. And still the beat the hell out Ethiopians.

With Regard to Kenya...Did they have war experiance? NO.  Are they also divided into clans like somalis? ..YES. Did they killed each other along line of clans? YES.. 15.000 catualities in just a month and displaced hundred of thousands. Beside that I did'nt even knew they had an army....just few who watch tourists..LOL. The secret is ...SOMALIS want NFD back...soon...or else. I AM PROUD TO BE A SOMALI....

cheers
dowlad @ 10/4/2008 6:46 AM EST
 this is the best solution for our nations probme.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 6:13 AM EST
 Baghdadbob,

I was in Kista Galleria recently for vacation,i was looking over my
shoulder lest i run into you. It was not going to be pleasent,
was it. How come HOl is boring these daays! What happened to your
revolutionary fervor Bob?.
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 5:58 AM EST
 Zingi,

Waxba ha baciidsan,maanta Itoobiya ma ku haaysatoo? waxba
ha baciidsan. Laakiin mustaqbal waxa la yiraa reer guuraa ma yaqaan.

Haa adinkaa is cunaa oo waligiin iscuna,laakiin ma aragtay meel somali
dad kale isaga celiyeen, fiiri South Africa kuwa ku nool.

Somali markuu tabar leeyahay geesina yahay Richard Burton aa hore u sheegay.

P.S. An afar boy is intiated into manhood by killing a somali, a somali boy
by killing another somali.

Independent region of Banadir, free of Nomads should be included Zanzibar as it was in
old days.

Banadiri elders, wake up, START WORKING WITH KENYA.
abbashajii @ 10/4/2008 5:40 AM EST
 We must unite and live as one race Bro & sis

Islam came as a uniting religion, meant to unite all of mankind under one rule, the rule of Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala). Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala) has warned us in many ayat in the Qur'an that we must not be seperated or divided into groups and we must all be one community and one Ummah. Therefore, the current state of affairs of the Muslim Ummah is not acceptable from an Islamic point of view. All Islamic nations must be united as one nation, one people, brothers and sisters in Islam, with one leader.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) also warned in many ahadith that we must not be split up into groups, and that all Muslims are like one inseperable body. In order to be true Muslims, we must follow the commands of Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala) and his messenger (pbuh), and we must unite ourselves into a single nation and a single Ummah under one leader.

Therefore, establishing a Khilafah uniting all Muslim nations is a religious duty on every Muslim, and it is just as important as establishing salat, fasting Ramadan and giving zakat. Not only is it a religious duty on every single Muslim, but it will also lead to economic prosperity, justice, peace and security for all Muslim communities living throughout the world.

zingii @ 10/4/2008 5:38 AM EST
 Waryaa, DONALD KIPKORIR: if its that easy, dont you think
that it would have been done long ago?

Bal eega inta uu shahado wato iyo siduu u fikrad gaabanyahay.
Walle fikradahaadu hadday rumowaan ogow iney noqon doonto
mid ay kenya ka shalaayso.  Anagii baa is cuneyna maxaad
mowdaa hadii qowmiyad kale nagu soo darsoomaan?
nadiya208 @ 10/4/2008 5:28 AM EST
 I am all for this plan, sorry ,tired of useless nomads.
So you all thought that Piracy was OK.
When was it when i told you that it is related to Hegelian dialictic.
How do you take over a place that doesn't have a problem?! You find one for
it or nomads will find it for you. Nomads otherwise known as Shufta.

I ask Dr Ali faqi,Sayid Burci and other Banadiri intellectuals to consider working
with Kenyans on this issue. GET BANADIR FOR BANADIRIS.
Do not let nationalistic fever hold you back, nomads do everything possible to gain
something for the clan. I think this is an opportunity for Bnadiris to cecede from somalia
and let the kenyans and ethios have the rest .

Wake up Banadir folks, opportunity knocked.
@ 10/4/2008 5:13 AM EST
 This is a very dire WARNING for peace spoilers. Today the world is with us to come help us come together, but tomorrow will be another case. Don't say we were not WARNED of the coming disaster: It will be exactly how Donaland Kipkokir wants it to be.
Please brothers WAKE UP and give the peace a chance. Donaland admits that we are very resource people when he says: "Kenyans ought to know that although Somalia is a failed state, its positive statistics are impressive. Without a structured economy, its gross national income per capita is US$600 (Sh40,000), when ours is $550 (Sh36,800). Of its universities that operate without budgets and with armed militia guarding them, three are in Africa’s top 100."
and he further says that: "Our cost of annexing Somalia will be settled by Mogadishu. Somalia is known to have huge deposits of oil, natural gas, uranium and iron ore. Immediately after the annexation, we will invite our strategic foreign friends (not China please) to come and exploit the resources for us".

Others are counting on our resources, while we are trotting wit AK-47 like primitives. I am sure we can surpass in economical developement most of the African countries if realise
that WAR destroys and peace BUILDS. We have a pool of talented educated diaspora who could give there share of rebuilding their country.

luckymes @ 10/4/2008 4:20 AM EST
 It is too late. We had so many chances and we blew them out. Expect anything and don't be surprised. This peace talk is the last, if it is slips between our fingers, then we become an easy prey for everyone. This is a fact whether you like it or not.
Liban_Libaax @ 10/4/2008 4:13 AM EST
 We definately have more REAL War experience than these Monkeys. All we Deen is increased Deen, Unity under Islam, better weapons and training and we're SMASH them in no time.
Liban_Libaax @ 10/4/2008 4:09 AM EST
 We must make, fund and organize an alternative Defacto Government. We must fund it to be barebones to eliminate all bureaucracy & waste and put all the effocrt in creating a Militarized Gov't and a citizen Militia. Everyone will be a soldier. We must fund and train an army. It must have a Nationalist agenda, but driven by our Deen which is what gives us strength. Also the Gov't will have a basic plan for the law, institutions etc AFTER Victory.
Liban_Libaax @ 10/4/2008 4:02 AM EST
 I'm TELLING Somalis out there we MUST UNITE under Islam. I knew these Gorillas will try to get brave and try something like this. As what we have seen since 2006 these people are NOT our friends. We are strong TOGETHER and we are a REAL NATION unlike these fake colonial constructions such as "kenya" and "ethiopia". Islam and Nationalism is the ONLY effective and realistic banner we can ALL unite under effectively. Somaliyeey Toosoo!!!!
Liban_Libaax @ 10/4/2008 4:01 AM EST
 I'm TELLING Somalis out there we MUST UNITE under Islam. I knew these Gorillas will try to get brave and try something like this. As what we have seen since 2006 these people are NOT our friends. We are strong TOGETHER and we are a REAL NATION unlike these fake colonial constructions such as "kenya" and "ethiopia". Islam and Nationalism is the ONLY effective and realistic banner we can ALL unite under effectively. Somaliyeey Toosoo!!!!
baghdad bob @ 10/4/2008 2:01 AM EST
 count down to zero! finally here we at the end game!

 
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