by Idris Ahmed Osman
Saturday, May 17, 2008
Islam against Secularism:
The globally renowned cleric Sheikh Safar Al-Hawali identifies the origin of the term secularism, in his book Al-Almaniya (secularism in Arabic), as the renege and rebellion of the state (general public) against the Church in medieval Europe. The highly outspoken Sheikh is famous for his unyielding opposition to the deployment of American troops in Saudi Arabia in the first Gulf war. As a distinguished scholar and previously head of the faculty of theology in Ummul Qura (Macca); Secularism, he says, is the result of the Church’s incompatibility to keep pace with modern science and cope with the social advancements, its immersion in superstitions, which necessitated the public (State) to develop lack of confidence, loss of faith, hence adapt a lifestyle independent of all spiritual (religious) teachings. The advent of secularism in response to the superstition and corruption of the Church was natural, because it denied the natural laws of science and development which Islam, not only approves but also, encourages exploring and studying it:
“Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things” The noble Quran 41:53
Quote: “Secularism is generally the assertion that certain practices or institutions should exist separately from religion or religious belief. Alternatively, it is a principle of promoting secular ideas or values in either public or private settings over religious ways of thought. In one sense, secularism may assert the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, and freedom from the government imposition of religion upon the people, within a state that is neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions. It is a total separation of Church and State which is also known as (Laicite)”. Unquote. This is the definition of secularism; since the English writer George Jacob Holyoake coined the term secularism in 1846. Secularism was deemed positive in the case of the Church renouncing all sorts of scientific and social development. However it can not be justified within the house of Islam. Islam calls for science and social development and nurtures civilizations. Therefore secularism is negative in positive Islam. Unfortunately, secularists in our midst want to copy and import the Darwinian and Freudian anti-social behaviour, indecency, perversion, sexuality, immorality, introduced in Europe as a result of the Church’s irrational monasticism. Once these facts are noted, then there is no excuse or loophole for the disguised secularists and liberalists to portray the modest and pure covering of the Muslim woman, (Hijaab/Jilbaab), the Islamic education, the strict practice and application of the Sunnah as a foreign ideology imported from the Arab world!. It is a blasphemous and abominable statement itself imported from the enemies of Islam. To the sage one’s amazement; the transparent, voluptuous dresses exposing complexion, structure and charm of our sisters, namely the dirac, guntiino and malqabad, was never ashamed but had ever been a Somali tradition!. When she wore the tight jeans and shirt, the secularists never spoke out against it as strange western or eastern ideology and culture!. The clandestine conspiracy heralded by the secularists has always been to promote a misconception of Islam as an Arab religion, disharmonize between the Somali people and the rest of the Arab world, then introduce Islamic teachings as an Arab tradition. Islam has nothing to do with Arab nationalism, yet Islam fights against the discrimination of pan Arabism or nationalism launched by the Nasserite revolution and Baath party in Egypt and Syria/Iraq respectively. Majority of the great scholars in Islam were non Arabs. The prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam said: “There is no advantage for an Arab over a non Arab”. The only criteria and advantage is by piety (Taqwa).
Secular or Religious War?!.
“Before this, We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous shall inherit the earth”. The noble Quran 21:105
From the above verse, it is obvious that being righteous servant is the sole condition to overcome and get victory over any oppressor and inherit the earth.
Having lately been scrutinising the religious issues in politics, I have seen to it an inevitable duty to add little comments in order to illuminate for the perplexed and reassure the firm believer. It is to be borne in mind that no specific nationality, race, group or individual is a representative of Islam. In principle, the ideal values of Islam remain dogmatic ad-infinitum. For some, it is a misconception that Muslims are the people or followers of Islam and Islam is the religion. For others, it is an opportunity to satirize the good Muslims and defile the image of Islam. If a group of people arise to resist a secular rule and demand the infallible rule of Islam to be restored, whatever deficiencies that might be found in their procedure or method shall not necessarily have a negative effect or reflect on the perfect and ideal Islam. Neither shall it, in comparison, lend the least value to amend the corruption of secularism. If their actions conform to the truth they are the real men; if not, then a mere illusion but the truth can never be rendered accountable to their actions. The truth (Islam) is the truth in every age, place and circumstances. Our main problem is gauging the truth by the actions of men. With a pre-programmed mentality of personal complexity based on tribal and political differences, some are set to contradict every initiative of Islamic revival potentially perpetrated by their adversaries. The above said definitely concludes that, our tribal and political rivalries aside, the ideal and perfect application of Islam is the backbone of this Ummah. There is no group who can introduce their version or interpretation of Islam as it should basically conform to the fundamental sources (the Quran and Sunnah). Had a certain group or clan hijacked it and did so; it would have definitely been rejected. Any atrocities of terrorism from any group, death and destruction committed against innocents, should be very harshly condemned and rejected. A suitable example would be if any Muslim group were to slit the throats of worshippers in Churches or Synagogues, (as the Ethiopian troops did to worshippers in the Masjid); because the prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam said: DO NOT KILL worshippers in their Churches and Synagogues, women and children (even in the state of war). Therefore, the values of Islam can not be labelled according to a certain clan or group. The secularists’ hypothetical conclusion of future wars is based on conflicts caused by scarce resources such as Water, Oil, population explosion hence territorial expansion, Star Wars, etc. This is the secular belief and view on the materialistic nature of the world. The fundamentalist Churches across the US hold different opinion of inevitable future decisive religious war as a precursor to Armageddon (Qiyaamu Saaca)
Walaalahayoow, waxaan idin leehay,it is good to have different views
but let is come to a commun terme wich is xoraynta dhulkeena iyo ka dhiidhiga gumaystaha
so layla samatar waxay leedahay ha la maqlo walaal oo maanta waxa u hooreeyaa ha noqdo
in aan cadawga ku wada jeedno oon danab ku ridno
DEAL!
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These threads give all the laughs I need for the day, wish I had the time to follow them constantly.
I just wish our minds were geared toward other things in life besides politics and religion, I wish we Somalis gave more time to healing each other's wounds and reviving our pride and our suugaan, perhaps the best in the sub saharan Africa.
Hear some Turkish music with me. http://youtube.com/watch?v=7h4JCt6SOME&feature=related
(Oh by the way I am open to everything when it comes to music, I'm that kinda guy, and no I don't live in Turkey, it's just the pick of the day)
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@yaabka yaabkiis!!
amakaag!!
dabaal waligiis dadka kale dabaal buu modaa!!
sidaa baa caqli ku yeelatay...why why? coz naag ba tahay wa cabaday!! what about hadaan dhaho 3 times then habar ayaa ahay miyaa!!!lol..
carawello markay aragto maxey dhihi doontaa ma yaabi doontaa? nixi doontaa? qeyli doontaa?
i swear to god caraweelo personally ma aqaan,wadanki ka soo gasho ma garanyo,xiriir lama lihi aan ka eheyn almost inaa ku arko halkaan waana anti alshabaab,intaa uun baan share gareynaa
balse su,aal? hadaad ragtahay? jawaab caqliga diideyn keyn?
sidee ku proof gareyn kartaa arrawelo=undertaker wa isku mid aan ka eheyn why? why? ayaad ku celisay,? sababtoo ah waxa ku diiwan gashan kutubada islaamka ayaan kuu aqriyay ka dibne su,aal ka keenay?
balse intaa shaki hadii ku gelisay,waxa iska cad inaan saxsanahay markaa, iyo arimihi ku duuday oo aha islam vs women
teeda kale maxaad u eegi weysay qof waliba luqad qoraal ah buu leeyahay iyo syle aniga iyo carawelo same ma nahay?
wat so eva,qaab kee jeceshahay oo aan ku qanciyaa mise kuu proof gareeyaa inaan eheyn qofkaa? qaabkii doonto ha ahaato waan sameynayaa?
waxaan la kaashan doonaa even HOL
THEN QALADKAADI HADUU SOO BAXY MAXAAD LEEDAHAY? GAAL BAA TAHAY..L0OL..MA QANCI DOONTAA!
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@yaabka yaabkiis!!
amakaag!!
dabaal waligiis dadka kale dabaal buu modaa!!
sidaa baa caqli ku yeelatay...why why? coz naag ba tahay wa cabaday!! what about hadaan dhaho 3 times then habar ayaa ahay miyaa!!!lol..
carawello markay aragto maxey dhihi doontaa ma yaabi doontaa? nixi doontaa? qeyli doontaa?
i swear to god caraweelo personally ma aqaan,wadanki ka soo gasho ma garanyo,xiriir lama lihi aan ka eheyn almost inaa ku arko halkaan waana anti alshabaab,intaa uun baan share gareynaa
balse su,aal? hadaad ragtahay? jawaab caqliga diideyn keyn?
sidee ku proof gareyn kartaa arrawelo=undertaker wa isku mid aan ka eheyn why? why? ayaad ku celisay,? sababtoo ah waxa ku diiwan gashan kutubada islaamka ayaan kuu aqriyay ka dibne su,aal ka keenay?
balse intaa shaki hadii ku gelisay,waxa iska cad inaan saxsanahay markaa, iyo arimihi ku duuday oo aha islam vs women
teeda kale maxaad u eegi weysay qof waliba luqad qoraal ah buu leeyahay iyo syle aniga iyo carawelo same ma nahay?
wat so eva,qaab kee jeceshahay oo aan ku qanciyaa mise kuu proof gareeyaa inaan eheyn qofkaa? qaabkii doonto ha ahaato waan sameynayaa?
waxaan la kaashan doonaa even HOL
THEN QALADKAADI HADUU SOO BAXY MAXAAD LEEDAHAY? GAAL BAA TAHAY..L0OL..MA QANCI DOONTAA!
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inaka yar ee amhaarada ah Mr Undertaker baan u jeedaa
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isfaanis - walaalow waa lala hadlilahaaye but seriously the man is boring - waar hanaga buuxin page ka - soo gaabi - he is an amhara man disguised as a Somali - think you are clever not as much as the Somali though - orad caruuraha la ciyaar walaal waqti kuu mahaynee -
beside this irrelevant man I would say to my Somali brothers we can hold different ideologies but be Somali and patriotic can't we - stop I am right you are wrong approach because there is no right or wrong it is a matter of probability!!!!Y~ou don't have to call for the elimination of the other simply because he/she happened to hold a different view than yours!!!!relax brothers
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Arawelo or shall i say undertaker;you are rather confused fellow.
You speak of Democracy yet you don't understand truly what Democracy
is all about. Let us simplify and put it this way:
If there are 100 of us 49% of these 100 wise and have common sense,and the
rest 51 have destructive ideas, in a democratic system the 51% will
override the 49%,that means 1 person out of the hundred gave legitimacy
for croocked ideas to prevail;only 1 out of the hundred people.
America was never Democratic in that sense;never was, never is currently.
america is a republic,does the word delegate(s) mean anything to you .
About your quotes of certain half Ayat from the Qur'an or shall i say your
borrowing them from Zoharists who make unsurpassed efforts to attacking
Islam is sad to say the least. I say sad because you pretend to promote
individual freethinking yet you can't think for yourself. Qura'an the only
Book known to man that asks its readers to THINK. No book Holy or otherwise
tells it's readers to Think independently but the Furqaan. It goes so far as
to entertain the opinion of the unbelievers that life is only this one,nothing
after it, so Qur'an aska them to evaluate both sides of the coin. If there is none
it says you have lost nothing , all Al Rasul is asking is be good to each other ,but
what about if the other side of the arguement is right and there is life after death
then what?! No Religion in the world entertained the arguement of the oppisite side as
Islam did. About your arguement which can on the srface appear to be valid;which is why
Women are not entiteled to the same inherentance, it is simple to make the case.
Firstly Islam is the only religion that gave the right to inheret to women, No any other
religion known to man did, are you aware of any?. secondly it did not leave it there,it went
so far as to require men to take care of the female members of the family,which means the half
inheretence is only for her own personal use. Now i take that offer any time of the day.
I know guys of my family who refused the resposibilty that comes with the half inheretence knowing
that they can not take care of the female members of the family and asked equal sharing so
they can be free from the responsibilty that comes with it.
About Witness, My dear Arawelo aka Undertaker, it is well known that memory is the property of Men.
Great french noses (Perfume designers) will tell you that they design all perfumes for men
only. When i asked one of them why,his answer was MEMORY belongs to men.
Men remeber much better thanBack then when i worked in a store in US during my student years i put
this to test. Males described incedents accurately then females,the same occurnce in the same place
that both witnessed. Males described much detailed includind the minutes of the Outfits of
a person wore. Don't Somalis have a saying: Ma umulaa hilmaami ogaa.
What does that mean, does it mean Men are much of a Human than women?! No absolutely not.
Islamicly speaking it just means we are different gender for different pupose;one completes the other,
not that one is in competion with the other.
How do i know it is Arawelo; well ,when you repeate in pain women are said to be thi and that in the Qura'an
but WHY,WHY; then i know it is a woman and it is you.
If you were a male you wouldn't cry about it because men enjoy being dominent, not because
they are pretending no, they are just created that way, all men Muslim or otherwise full of Ego.
Now think about it, is it too much given to men,they don't cry about it
that you have a womb, in Arabic Rahim, one of the names Allah attributed himself to comes from that word
of mercy.
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Gaadh'haye,
Thanks . Trust me am too big to fall into his shaky and fake web!
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undertaker you are so desperate. pasting 10 verses from anti-islam websides will not help you. You tried to use 2:190 and 9:29 and I exposed you. You dont dare to talk about one verse step by step. Pasting 20 vers at once itis gona make you look like coward.
Do you have question about verse 9;29 or 2:190? I know you dont lol
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Fiqi,
His work is copy and paste... no need to be impressed.
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Father undertaker has been trying to spread the word ( christianity ) in a forum where 100% of its sevice users are moslems . Never the less , he being father undertaker , a mad christian scholar seems to be gaining gounds and he impressed me with his oriterial skills though most of his comments are contradictory and baseless
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VOTE FOR SECULAR GOVERNMENT
SECULAR GOVERNMENT IS THE CURE OF THE WHOLE WORLD, NOT ONLY THE MUSLIM WORLD.
Democracy is another completely misundertood concept in my oppinion, democracy is not a western ideology its a human necessity, no one needs to be subjugated and forced to something they don't wish to adhere to.
ISFANIS..
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-.. About the stature of woman in Islam
In Sahih Al-Bokhary, menses chapter: the prophet says about women:" those deficient in
mind and religion" that's a devaluation of woman stature as it is obvious from that as the
meaning is obvious " deficient in mind and religion", but why? Why?
That's because woman has no similar stature as man, as she exists for the sake of man
Woman in cow chapter (Surat Al-Baqarah) 2:82 not equal to man in testimony, as it is
supposed to have 2 witnesses for testimony if they were men, but if they were women it
must be 2 women in the place of a men, but can we replace the 2 men by 4 women, No
there must be on a man among the witnesses, so her witness in half of that of a man
That's because woman has no similar stature as man, as she exists for the sake of man
Woman in cow chapter (Surat Al-Baqarah) 2:82 not equal to man in testimony, as it is
supposed to have 2 witnesses for testimony if they were men, but if they were women it
must be 2 women in the place of a men, but can we replace the 2 men by 4 women, No
there must be on a man among the witnesses, so her witness in half of that of a man
The heritage: the same thing applies; woman inherits half of man's heritage, as in woman
chapter (Surat An-Nisa') 4:11
It is really a strange situation why? Why? Why woman is devaluated,
they are telling that's for the heritage to be confined to the family only, and so what, let it
go outside the family, that's a legal right must be given to the one who deserves it fairly
So there is no fairness and justice .no equality between man and woman
The most serious of what I have read is what was mentioned in Sahih Al Bokhary, the
prayer book, a converse saying:" woman is like dog and donkey as she disrupts the
prayer, if someone touches woman before praying and he had already performed
ablution, his ablution is ruined and he must do ablution again
Man is thinking why? Did the Muslim woman think of that situation? Would she accept
that? She is subdued and can't objec
It is even More than that, really I am feeling a real bitterness when I am reading such
things, as woman was created on God's image, she has her own worth, dignity ,her own
feelings, and stature, that is unfair
Could you imagine in woman chapter (Surat An-Nisa'), verse 15 and 34: it was mentioned
that man or the husband can punish his wife by striking her, abandoning her and
imprisoning her to death
Also something strange in woman chapter (Surat An-Nisa') 24: speaking about a women
being merchandise(ZAWAJ MUTCAH), for a man to have a pleasure with her he should give her a wage
It is Ok if he marries, but that's a temporary marriage, he gives her
money for the time he spends with her an hour or two, a day or two
So it is a moral issue and a holy sacrament
what about woman what she will get in the paradise? iwm,,xuurul ceyn nimanka helayaan,, women?
atleast instead xurul ceyn ninka la siin lahaa maxuu naagtiisa ula joogi wayay sidi aduunka?
hadii ninka helo xurul ceyn what about gabdhah? coz raga iyo dumarka duunka mid bey ahaayeen,,akhirane.. mid ma ahan? maxey helayan? ninka wu bashala? naagta? maxey sameyn? yaa haayo jawaab pls?
nothing, she will get nothing in the paradise, so even in the paradise
there is no equality between man and woman
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HOL STOP CES..
jsoomane RELIGIOUS FORUM MA AHAN HALKAAN,balse let me give u 1 example
2) The days of creation:
It was mentioned in seven verses of the quran that the days of creation were six days
Those verses are in the Prostration chapter (Surat As-Sajdah), Jonah chapter (Surat
Yunus), Hud chapter (Surat Hud), The Criterion chapter (Surat Al-Furqan), The Heights
chapter (Surat Al-A'raf), Qaf chapter (Surat Qaf) and the iron chapter (Surat Al-Hadid)
While in distinguished chapter (Surat Fussilat) 9-12 :" "Do you verily disbelieve in Him,
Who created the earth in two Days .., and measured therein its sustenance in four Days
Then He Istawâ (rose over) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to
the earth: "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They both said: "We come,
willingly." Then He completed and finished from their creation as seven heavens in two
Days",
So the total number of days of creation in that verse is eight days: 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days
While in the other seven verses they were six days only, so were they six or eight?
Imam Al-Nasfy said in his exegesis, part 4, and page 130:"God created the earth in two
days, measured therein its sustenance in four Days Then He completed and finished
from their creation as seven heavens in two Days" so that will be contradicting with his
saying six days " in The Heights chapter (Surat Al-A'raf)
Now there were multiple qurans with different versions, contradictions among its text
and also contradictions in its facts
So On what basis would the Muslim build his faith? Would he build his faith and his
eternal life on uncertainty?
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"taa oo caqliga 2008 qaadan karin..lama joogo 15 qarni ka hor..i hav to question, coz ala kuma soo dirayo wax ka hor imanayo caqliga,,hadey caqliga ka hor imaadan,,alla kama imaan waa la, alifay."
Waa kuwama aayadaha quraanka ee aad aaminsatahay in la alifey oo aan Alle xaggiisa ka imaan?
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Well written article. Dr Safar Xawaale is considered the most well versed in caqiida and secular thinking in todays world. He is ummah alone and nail Islamic enemies like this poor undertaker in box.
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TO:DHIBILIF,GACALIYE,MOALIM AND COMPANY
marka joojiyaa dadka aad gaalo ku tilmaamtaan on daily Basis,I KNOW religious wa very sensitive for some ppl even u can not question thousands mugdi ku jiro(sideeda ku qaado camal),,laa tas,aluu can ashyaa,a intubda lakum tusi,kum ) otherwise...seyf,
taa oo caqliga 2008 qaadan karin..lama joogo 15 qarni ka hor..i hav to question, coz ala kuma soo dirayo wax ka hor imanayo caqliga,,hadey caqliga ka hor imaadan,,alla kama imaan waa la, alifay.
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To all of you bullying Undertaker, why do you want to silence him, why not debate with him if you think you can beat him, or is that our mentality as Muslim anyone who critiques us is a Satan and must be attacked at the Juggular. grow up you idiots and make sense.
Reading this article I couldn't help but think of one thing, I'm a muslim and I have a problem with Islam more then I have with the secular world, simply becasue, regardless of what is good about Islam and what is not, there is no freedom of thought, you're placed in a box and there is no thinking out of the box kind of mentality, common sense is abandoned. But Islam has a immeasurable goodness to it, decency and practice of self discipline, but if only there was peace for people who differ, why can't some one has the freedom to choose between hell and heaven and let be free until God judges them, we all know God does not fall from the sky to beahead anyone who defies the quran who are we to blow them up. SECULAR GOVERNMENT IS THE CURE OF THE WHOLE WORLD NOT ONLY THE MUSLIM WORLD.
Democracy is another completely misundertood concept in my oppinion, democracy is not a western ideology its a human necessity, no one needs to be subjugated and forced to something they don't wish to adhere to.
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To:dhibidhilf and company
THIS IS NOT RELIGIOUS FORUM ANY WAY,QOFKU U BAAHAN RELIGOUS FORUMS THOUSANDS OF WEBSITES AYAA JIRO RELIGIOUS FORUMS MISE DOODO ku saleysan diimaha lagu qabto on daily basis so let us stick to our old style urgument., and please joojiyaa arinta dowlada iyo alshabaab iney tahay diin vs gaalo
aan ka dhigno arinta sida ey u dhigtay MOMO AND SIMBE, "war of politics and tribal competition"waana dagaal ku saleysan intrest..
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TO: Brother anti-dhibidhilif
dhibatada taagan tafsiir quraan and ahaadith jeebkada miyaad ka sameysan kartaa?
maxaad ugu hadahsay ...xataa yacdul jizyah,,jizyah iney bixiyaan gaalada and so on..
what about i was commended...commanded what?... was commanded to fight
people till they testify that, no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,
perform prayers and pay the alms,..by doing that...then...by doing that they may rescue their blood and money
from me....arinta jizyah..maxa ka horeeya? indhaha fur accuarte explanation keyn aan eheyn (qutubul masaajid) qutbooyinka misaajidka..maxaa ugu carartay arinta jizyada..indhaha ka daboolatay..command ka horeeyay jizyada..abti wax caqli gal ah keyn
TO:GADHAHYE
brother jooji dhibatada iyo kicinta diinta adigoo isticmalaya qurafat...diinta la caayay iwm.
su,aal ayaa idin soo hordhigay si cilmiyan ugu jawaab otherwise silent...
hadaan qaldanahay proof garey then...
quraanic and hadith versus soo qatay iyo qaabku u fisiray imaam abdulah yusuf
hadaad xasuusato ahmed deedat oo ah famous muslim scholar si cilmeysan dadka ula dooda ,dadka oo ah far more critics then aniga,wey dhamatay waqtigii gaal baa tahay leys dhihi jiray ,wax caqliga ka horyimaado su,aal waad ka keeni karta?
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Itis not like you must pay this tax because you are not muslim. Muslims must pay too. Muslims pay more tax than non muslims in Sharia law. Muslims must pay 2.50% non muslims must pay 2.00% They pay less. The sharia law will fight with you if you dont pay tax if you are muslim or non muslim. We all know the hadiths when our messenger s. a.w died and some muslims stoped paying jakah and abu bakar said who ever dont pay jakah, will face punishment. I dont remember the exactly hadith.
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I exposed you picking few words from the quran and now you want jump in to the hadits lol. I have seen that before. You are not the first one. 9:29 itis talking about tax. Allah said fight with them untill they pay tax. What is wrong with that? That is not only the law of our religion itis also law of every countries. Where ever you live if you dont pay tax, the government will fight with you. If you you try to be hero and use gun, they will kill you. Be logic man
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Hol no need to block my comment. I want correct this guy who has been reading anti-islam websides. undertaker. itis 9:29 not 2:29. Correct the numbers and read it from the holybook not anti-islam websides.
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Notice: MESSAGE TO ALL.
This man, undertaker is making mockery of faith, Islam.
For that, I humbly request from ALL OF YOU to write to
HOL requesting for the suspension and blockage of him from this forum.
I reiterate again. Muslim brothers and sisters, please STAND UP for your religion.
Let us not watch while some taint, mock , and abuse our faith.
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Notice: MESSAGE TO ALL.
This man, undertaker is making mockery of faith, Islam.
For that, I humbly request from ALL OF YOU to write to
HOL requesting for the suspension and blockage of him from this forum.
I reiterate again. Muslim brothers and sisters, please STAND UP for your religion.
Let us not watch while some taint, mock , and abuse our faith.
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TO:baghdad BOB..zakariya boutros is not alone exposing these arguments but also famous islamic shcolars
TO: ANTI-DIBIDHILIF can u please expain these quranic and hadith versus?
God told him to fight the ‘people of the Book’ (Christians &
Jews) in Surah Al Tawba (2:29) ‘Fight those who believe not in Alla and the Last
Day … nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) from among the People of
the Book until they pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued …’(qatilul la diin la yu,minuna bilaahi wa laa bil yuumul akhir,wala yuxarimuuna maa xaramalaah,wala yadiinuna diin al haq,xataa yacdul jizyah wahum saagiruun)
Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “A straight fight in the
cause of right; go forth bravely to strive and struggle, and prove yourselves
worthy of Alla”
(The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.446)
So killing of the Christians is an Islamic legislation, that's not punishable
In Sahih Al-Bokhary:” Narrated Ibn Omer: the prophet said:" I was commanded to fight
people till they testify that, no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,
perform prayers and pay the alms, by doing that they may rescue their blood and money
from me except for the dues for Islam and God will recompense them” (1)(umirtu an uqatila naas xata yashhaduu ala ilaaha ila laah…….)
Notice “rescue their blood and money from me” so one should testify that “No God but
Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” or he will be killed by the sward, so that
was an existing principle
in Sahih Al-Bokhary it was mentioned 7 times
- in Sahih Muslim it was mentioned 6 times
- in Sonan Abe-Dawûd it was mentioned 4 times
- in Sonan Al-Tormouzy it was mentioned 5 times
That’s an order from God; does God order to kill man to enforce him for embracing the
religion?
That is an order for killing for Islam
For those claiming that wars in Islam were defensive wars and not for propagation of the
religion, here in that converse there is a clear indication for killing to enforce people to say
“No God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” if they say that “they may
rescue their blood and money” that is very clear
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God told him to fight the ‘people of the Book’ (Christians &
Jews) in Surah Al Tawba (2:29) ‘Fight those who believe not in Alla and the Last
Day … nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) from among the People of
the Book until they pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued …’(qatilul la diin la yu,minuna bilaahi wa laa bil yuumul akhir,wala yuxarimuuna maa xaramalaah,wala yadiinuna diin al haq,xataa yacdul jizyah wahum saagiruun)
Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “A straight fight in the
cause of right; go forth bravely to strive and struggle, and prove yourselves
worthy of Alla”
(The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.446)
So killing of the Christians is an Islamic legislation, that's not punishable
In Sahih Al-Bokhary:” Narrated Ibn Omer: the prophet said:" I was commanded to fight
people till they testify that, no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,
perform prayers and pay the alms, by doing that they may rescue their blood and money
from me except for the dues for Islam and God will recompense them” (1)(umirtu an uqatila naas xata yashhaduu ala ilaaha ila laah…….)
Notice “rescue their blood and money from me” so one should testify that “No God but
Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” or he will be killed by the sward, so that
was an existing principle
in Sahih Al-Bokhary it was mentioned 7 times
- in Sahih Muslim it was mentioned 6 times
- in Sonan Abe-Dawûd it was mentioned 4 times
- in Sonan Al-Tormouzy it was mentioned 5 times
That’s an order from God; does God order to kill man to enforce him for embracing the
religion?
That is an order for killing for Islam
For those claiming that wars in Islam were defensive wars and not for propagation of the
religion, here in that converse there is a clear indication for killing to enforce people to say
“No God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” if they say that “they may
rescue their blood and money” that is very clear
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The Somali needs to be blamed before we blame the rest world!
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Baqdad bob I was thinking about other anti- islam webside but these days they are alot. They always use 2:191 like undertaker did. Look his comment again. He used 2:191 escape 2:192 then used 2:193. He thinks we are dump. I forgot he escape the most important verse 2:190. Let me post from 2:190 to 2:193
002.190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. YUSUFALI: 2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.002.192
YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.02.193
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. Undertaker dont want past 2:190 and 2:192. Now we see the whole meaning.
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If Undertaker wishes to engage in a debate between ISlam (my religion), and Christinay (his), I think this is not the right forum! So, stop interfering with rubbish vitepurative langunage against Muslims. Haddad gaal tahay orod meelahaa la teg, maxaad nagaga soo meeraysan. You don't belong here!!Ay baad tahay.
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undertaker
exposing you further, this is the work of father Zakaria Botros. This is his official website: www.fatherzakaria.com, it will take you to arabic website: http://www.islam-christianity.net/ Now you know who wrote those baseless allegations full of simple basic mistakes.
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undertaker
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:dSw9_QQsl5AJ:www.islam-christianity.net/books/islam/word/15.doc+THE+TWO+FACES+OF+ISLAM+HIDDEN+%26+MANIFEST&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
that is where you have copied from. stop pretending like its your work and stop playing cool with your kufri. at least write where your have stolen from.
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undertaker
You made me chuckle, then laugh until I almost fell of my chair! your limited knowledge about the Qyran and your out of context refrences and the simple basic mixup of madaniyat and makiyat Chapters of the holy Quran were quite pathetic to say the least. Go read some Qurdubi tafseer. Stop copying and pasting as well. Belive me some of those sites are pure propaganda with no valid or intelligible arguments.
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Asalaamu alykum
Goormaan ogaa inuu undrtaker gaal yahay,hada kahor buu yiri muxamed without saying nabi muxamed, marka dadka kala barta ,dadkan caayaya reerihiina idinkana caadifadii soomaalida intay idin qaado aad reerka uu iska dhigay caayeysan ,iska jira dagaalku waa badan yahay.
Hadaad u maleenaysaan Araweelo inay tahay gabar soomaaliyeed oo fikradeeda dhiibaneysa,adunkan isaga tag war mahaysidee.
Dadka qaar markay Araweelo dadka isticmaala wax soo qoraan,waxay u haystaan inay ka tarjumayso qabiil, soomaaliyeed
quraanka barta, maxaad ku ogaaneysa marka undertaker ku yiraahdo aayada suuratu baqara ayaa ku soo degtay maka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
iyadoo lawada ogsoon yahy in madiina ay ku soo degtay waa inaad taqaanaa ,ha la digtoonado walaalayaal
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Under-taker ilaahay waxuu yiri gaaladu waa ka caqli xun yihiin xayawaanka, adigoo saas u yaqaan xaqqa ayaa haddana go,aansatay in aad caabudo shaydaan!!! ilaaheey cadaabta ha kugu fogeeyo sidaad diintiisa u caayeysid
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undertaker. Dont pick few words from the verses, and stop reading anti-islam websides.
Lets me expose you. You posted chapter 9 verse 12. You didnot post the whole verse. Why? Let me help you.
09.012
YUSUFALI: But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
Why you hiding the first part? You think we dont know Quran?
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Undertaker, you are no different than those clanist who are hijacking our religion for their own plans, stop insulting our great religion it is above your petty mind. For your information SOMALIA WAS NEVER SECULAR, we always practiced Sharia in some form or another. Somalia was an Islamic nation, is an Islamic nation and will be Islamic nation. Go to hell.
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i wonder sometimes if the commenters are muslims, cause their question about quran, walaahi if have any doubt in the quran your under catagery of munafiqin. Examine yourself before your examined.
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VOTE FOR SECULAR GOVERNMET..SHARIA LAW IS IN THE PAST,
somalia was secular
somalia is secular
somalia will be secular..
quran,ahadith and all sharia laws should be revised,judged,if quran from god or mohamed has invented as thousands of islamic shcolars are demanding day by day,,
or atleast should be revised and moderinised..
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VOTE FOR SECULAR GOVERNMET..SHARIA IS IN THE PAST,
somalia was secular
somalia is secular
somalia will be secular
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HOL STOP CENSORING
PART 2(second face)
THE TWO FACES OF ISLAM HIDDEN & MANIFEST
Mohammed’s character in Medina
After Mohammed moved to Medina in the year 622 AD and his followers grew in
strength and number, he became a relentless warrior, intent on spreading his religion
by the sword, and this is the message that now lives on. Here is some evidence from
Quran of this stage:
1. He claimed that God told him to kill his opponents in Surah Al baqarah (2:191)
‘And slay them wherever ye catch them …’(waqtuluuhim xeythu zaqaftumuuhum)
2. He claimed that God told him to kill whoever rejects Islam in Surah Al Baqara
(2:193) ‘And fight them on until there is no tumult or oppression, and there
prevail justice and faith in Alla …’(waqatiluuhum xataa laa takuunu fitnah wayakunu diinu lilaah)
3. He claimed that God told him to fight the ‘people of the Book’ (Christians &
Jews) in Surah Al Tawba (2:29) ‘Fight those who believe not in Alla and the Last
Day … nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) from among the People of
the Book until they pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued …’(qatilu ladiin la,yu,minuuna bilaah wa laa bil yuumul akhiri....walaa ya diinuna diin al haq minaladiin uutul kitaab(christians+jewish) xata ycdul jizyah wahum saagiruun)
4- (Surah Al Tawbah 9: 12) “… Fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith [infidel] …”(faqatilu aimatul kufr inaham la imana laham..
5- (Surah Al Tawbah 9: 123) “O ye who believe fight the unbelievers who gird you
about. And let them find firmness in you and know that Alla is with those who
fear Him”(yaa ayahul la diin aaminuu qatiluu ala diin yaluunakum minal kufaari walyajiduu fiikum gildah....)
6- (Sura Al Anfal 8: 65) “O Prophet rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are
twenty amongst you, patint and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a
hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people
without understanding”(yaa ayuha nabiyo xarisil mumina calal qitaal in yakum cishruun saabiruun yaglibuu mi,ateyn...)
7- (Surah Al Baqara 2: 216) “Fighting is prescribed upon you …”(kutiba caleykum al qitaal..)
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HOL STOP CENSORING
PART 1
THE TWO FACES OF ISLAM
HIDDEN & MANIFEST
quranic versus contradicting it self,,peaceful vesrsus vs versus inciting for killing Unbeliever
this study will demonstrate a certain side of Islam,
which has not been precisely portrayed by islamic scholars
Osama Bin Laden on the ALJAZEERA network. Based on this premise, Bin
Laden, the Taliban among others, have
openly declared war against christians and jewish in the name of Islam, using
quotations from the Quran such as:
And those of the people of the Book (Jews & Christians) who aided them (the
unbelievers), Allah (God) did take them down from their strongholds. And cast
terror into their hearts, so that some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.
And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods’
(Surah Al Ahzab 33:26 and 27)(wa anzala la diin daahiruuhum min ahlil kitaab min sayaasiihim,waqadafa fiiquluubihil al rubca,fariiqan taqtuluun,wa ta,siruuna fariiqan,wa uurazakum ardahum,wa diyaarahum, wa amwaalahum,wa arsan.....)
Many are then confused; is Islam is a religion of violence, or one of peace?
THE FIRST FACE OF ISLAM
Mohammed’s character in Mecca
In Mecca, where Mohammed started his new religion in the year 610 A.D, he was not
yet strong. To be accepted by all people, he presented a peaceful and loving picture of
Islam, avoiding any mention of violence, and here are some quotations from the
Quran about that first stage:
1. Mohammed was told to be patient with his opponents in Surah Al Muzzammil
(73:10) ‘And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble(dignity)( wasbirhum cala maa yaquuluuhum wahjurhum hajran jamiila)
2. Mohammed was told not to impose Islam by force in Surah Al baqarah (2: 256)
Let there be no compulsion in religion’(laa ikraaha fi diin)
3. Mohammed was told to speak pleasantly to ‘people of the Book’ (Christians and
Jews) in Surah Al Ankabut (29:45) ‘And dispute ye not with the people of the
Book, except with means better (than mere disputation) … but say: we believe in
the Revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you; Our
God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)’(wala tujaadiluu ahlal kitaaba ilaa bilataa ahsan waquuluu aamana biladii unzila ileynaa wa unzila ilaahukum,wa ilaahunaa, waa ilaahakum waaxid,wa naxna lahu muslimuun)
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rubbish, trash, garbage, or junk article..wasted energy!
the conflict or war in somali is about politics and tribal competition!!nothing else
"we dont need sharia law, we need secular government"
sharia law lama socon karto dunida ilbaxda ah mise hormartay in certain cases some versus and ahadith contaradicts it self and there are versus inciting for killing Unbeliever!
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rubbish, trash, garbage, or junk article..wasted energy!
the conflict or war in somali is about politics and tribal competition!!nothing else
"we dont need sharia law, we need secular government"
sharia law lama socon karto dunida ilbaxda ah mise hormartay in certain cases some versus and ahadith contaradicts it self and there versus inciting for killing Unbeliever!
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HOL must think any article writen in academic vernacular, with images and quotes from the Holy Quran qualifies as something worth presenting. This is no more than vain attempt to frame the Somali conflict in theological prespective "Secularism vs. Religion", oh please. Lets us not sully the great name of Islam and Quran in this filty war of politics and tribal competition. Ethiopia is but an aspect of this war and Christianity further less.
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And to add insult to injury the other day the Puntland authoriy have handed innocent civilians from ogaden to the Ethiopa authority and the same thing has happened in Hargeisa when the illegal authority of NW somalia also handed two civilians to the Ethiopian authority for sale . How low can some Somalis stoop and how evil can they be to hand other Somalis to the enemy ? this is an act of total animosity and the people of ogaden should by all means stop turning the other cheek and see revenge which should have been the last resort in a normal world
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Idris, among all article writen on somalia since last view years, I have to say idris has articulated our problem and put it into correct prospective. Ethopian and neoconservative movement have seen somalis's rich cutltural and historical which based on Islam and enterpenourship a threat to interest of allaince of Zoinst, Orthodox christian and western neoconservative. since tribe is the only thing that can divid somalis, it played out to be captilaze and expoliate by our enemy. no doubt it worked fot them due to low self conscious of somali politicians and lack of nationalism among somalis. One thing all Somalis agree was their archenemy of ethopian interest to undermine existance of powerfull and strong somali governments until they found some of who facilitate to acheive their dream. Tribal difference among the somalis is not new phenomina, but what is new is offering unconditional support of ethopia by few somalis elders who will soon fade way from history.
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Well-researched and well-reasoned..Excellent'
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Great article with a lot of eye-opening historical references.
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