What is this Ayoub, probably an ethiopian pretending to be a Somali here.  Let me educate you little Amhara man, (Somalia) means the land of the Somalis, or the land that is inhibited by Somali people. The land that is inhibited by the Somalis existed and will continue to exist, despite your little dream of wipping us off the map.  In fact if the colonial borders in Africa is lifted, the only winners will be the Somalis (one language, religion, shared history, cutltre and tradition).  Your littel ethiopia on the other hand, the name is defined as (the land of the dark people).  That is the only thing that unites ethiopia the darknes of their skin, no shared religion, language or even culture.  In fact the term ethiopia was the make of the colonial powers it never existed before that.  Ethiopia consisted of little kingdoms ruled by tigreya, amhara,...oromas...etc. The land of the Somalis was always known and never been crossed, certainly not be the little man in ethiopia, never in the history has such thing took place.  Our borders were clear so did other people who lived beyod our land until the white man arrived and on the tip of agun redraw the borders crating recurrent conflicts in Africa and beyond. Contemporary ethiopia is bind together by thread.

GREETING TO ALL. RESPECT THE FEMALES AROUND THE WORLD.  A ROSS IS FOR ALL MOM'S DAY AND LET GO FOR THE BEAUTHY WE ALL MISSED WORLD AND BAD HUMANS WHO JUST CARE  FOR NOTHING AND FO NOT RESPECT THEIR MOMS JUST TOOK IT EASY.  WE ARE CHILDREN WHO JUST WANT A C BREAKFEAST WITH OUR MOM  A BREAK DAST NOT A LOT HAVE TODAY IN LIVE.

GREETING TO ALL. RESPECT THE FEMALES AROUND THE WORLD.  A ROSS IS FOR ALL MOM'S DAY AND LET GO FOR THE BEAUTHY WE ALL MISSED WORLD AND BAD HUMANS WHO JUST CARE  FOR NOTHING AND FO NOT RESPECT THEIR MOMS JUST TOOK IT EASY.  WE ARE CHILDREN WHO JUST WANT A C BREAKFEAST WITH OUR MOM  A BREAK DAST NOT A LOT HAVE TODAY IN LIVE.

Gacaliye I didn't compare ONLF and PLO, I asked why we are skipping the subject that this article was based on. By the way I agree the answer you gave Ayoub.

Juma I see the zeal, just as in all proselytes! You sound you knew about youself last week. The thing is you really don't know much about the issues you are talking about. Have you ever lived in  Nogob, Qaali,Doolo,Qoraxeey and Suubaa-balal. Do you have any idea of sulul,fafan, and jarar. It is one thing to be in NFD and shout (which is encouraging for even that was missing from you hitherto), it is quite another to understand where the fight is going on. I am Degaxbuur boy if that tells you anything. I don't take any particular pride in being Ogaden (for that is just another clan among many somali clans), but if it calms your nerves know it: I am that from both sides. So, don't misfire at innoncent tribes who you badmouth here as a matter of right. You need to respect the sensitivities of others, and thier rights, before you think of liberating yourself. It is sad that people like you are scaring away from the legitimate struggle of the people of Ogaden with your immature,and bullish behaviour towards your own kins and kith. If somali's are enemies to us, then who are our friends. War isla yaab ninyahoow. Strictly speaking you are negating the ONLF policy of fighting for all somali's in Ogaden region. Intentionally or unintentionally, you are carving ONLF as a clan-based organisation intent on liberatin the Ogaden clan alone. Has it occured to you that in so doing, you are effectively undermining the struggle? Juma, calm down and start to listen before you rant!!!ASk more of whom I may, Fiqicigaal. Fiqicigaal, saaxiib ninkan u waran haduu soo toosayoo, wuu nagu dhex dhacay uune!!!!

Ayoub, you are the most ridiculous and self-denying Somali (if you one) I ever happened to read about!  We Somalis excisted, were & are proudest, richest people on earth, regardless of what your fu**ing dheg cas(Arab) or Saan cadde (white man) put in your little chichen brain!  We, Somalis have excisted AND SHALL DO SO longer than you stupid jew living on stolen land in Palastine!                                                                Gacaliye.

Ayoub, why try to twist history?  Both southern Somalia & Erirtea were Italian colonies.  Southern Somalia became part of Somali Republic 01.07.60 as is known.  Ethiopia annexed Eritrea year 1962 & as 5-year old Somali boy in WESTERN SOMALIA I participated the celebration, all shops had to close, all city's inhabitants had order to come play ground to the NEW UNION OF GREAT ETHIOPIA!  It was a must! Wave Ethiopia flags, try to remember an hamaric word.   Ethiopians & Eritreans have more in common than we Somalis have with any of them, so I DO NOT understand why Somalis are being used by these f**king opponents!                                                                                                  Gacaliye.

Arrawelo, it is unfair to compare ONLF with Arab PLO.  The later are Arabs whose conlict is older than Somali nation & we have nothing to do with it.   But the first (ONLF)is like you & me!  By the way, I am a WESTERN SOMALI & a Somali from Dirirdhowa, Mogadishu, Garowe, Hargeisa or Jibouti is a Somali for me, just like the Ethiopians say: "Yee Somali Somalinow"= "a Somali is a Somali"!                                                  Gacaliye.

amina samajecel, the so-called eritrea belonged to Ethiopia before european colonialists set foot on the African continent. The so called eritrea was taken by the islaians for sometime and it was returned to its rightful owner in due time. The so-called eritrea again separated from it's mother due to Americas blind support for isayas afework and meles zenawi. Other than America ofcourse the arabs were also heavily involved. 17 years later Ethiopians in Asmera that are hijacked by isayas afework eagerly awaits the downfall of isayas and his cousin meles. Thre are millions of families that are separated as a result of isayas's and meles's action in the early 1990s. As for the ogaden case, our somalia was not even existant before 1960. siad barre using the five stars on the somali flag which was made by the british tried to take Ethiopian land and we paid the ultimate price. siad barres stupid action in the 1970s and 1964 just four years after somalia was created as a nation was plain stupid and a source for it's collapse.

adamjama, you are ridiculous. You claimed "the Ethiopians tried to invade our country since time of Queen of Sheba". Our Somalia is a creation of the euroean colonialists like many states in the African continent. A country called somalia was non existent before 1960.

Moalin, They can ban names but can not prevent ideas from floating.

"Elephant shall rise" Juma. I like this part...Takartaa Marooodiga Liqday Baan Soo Tuf Leeyahay.

Xiinfiniin I like your name Mr Xiin, my reference to PLO in comparison with ONLF was in - All Arab nations armies thaught they could liberate Palestine from Israel the same way some Ogadenis think somalia or Maxakim will liberate Ogadenia for them. This is a fallacy and a stupid dream. We must rely on ourselves first, then whoever is honest to help us. How do you count on people who are on the run?? Liberation for our people does not only mean war without end. We must be prepared to win the war and to win the peace as well. Somalia can be under occupation and we can make peace with Ethiopia on the lines of SPLA and the Sudan Government. Even 10 years of full self government is ok. AM against mixing Ogadenia freedom war with somalia's civil war mess, and the loosers who think they can be at war with the only super power, when they are a broken nation!! Our goals must be defined and clear. Dont associate with loosers. Be your own like everybody else. Why do you have to lean on someone?? Xiin be like the sayid. Be ONLF.

Moalin dugsi I quote you, "Ogadens can achieve nothing.....without help from other somalis". Shame on you! Now i doubt if you are Ogaden. But if you are small Absame you are excused. Dont worry the word Absame (up-same) will  find a place in the National Coat Of Arms of the future Ogadenia Republic. However even if you are Absame your meek demeaner vis-a-vis the chicken head Somalians is a shoker. Am suprised at your naivety when it comes to Somalia people in general. Your heros are laughable. They include Ceyrow, sh sharif, aweis and salad boy - the crew of mudug anarchists, islamist pretenders. May be its because you are bred in Bughdabo, the remote end of greater Ogadenia. Thats why you have affinity for the samatars ans salad boys of this world and not your real kith and kin in the greater Ogaden. General Mohamoud Mohamed, Yusuf Haji, Farah Maalim,The Ogles etc, if these names do not ring a bell then you need a crush programme to learn greater Ogadenia and its potential. To know who you are is the beginning of wisdom. Why ignore you brothers in Afdheer and Gode? Why dont u engage them instead of wasting your time with somalians? We alone have the capacity and the potential to liberate Ogadenia. Somalis cannot be trusted with such a serious venture. Elephant shall rise. This is not empty rhetoric.

“Ethiopian occupation of Somalia”. I think the article could have been titled like that.

Rarely do i feel ashamed of being a somali, and one of them is reading anything with the name Araweelo in HOL. Somalinimadaba inaan uga baxaan ka yaabi!!!Even Amnesty is bashed for crying foul with the atrocities of the occupiers!ilaahay dadkuuu abuuray noocya badanaa!!

Why some people are talking about ONLF or PLO? when the subject is about former SDR.

Xin-Finiin!!Arawello must not drive you to throw stones to me!!!I am trying to be cool!!!!!!!Aaaaaaaaaaahua huaaaaaa!!

Moalim war inaga wax aragnay..Do u think the so called sheikh sharif whom you seem  'to respect' unlike me..wanted to xoray Ogadeniya?

Juma, The struggle in Ogadeniya is not similar to PLO. We share nothing nothing at all. I am suprised you compared ONLF with PLO - an organisation without a strategy and political portfolio.

Juma the immediate comment is from me, Softy Mo'alin Dugsi (as you call me). kkkkkkkkkk. by the way looooool@that.

Juma Somalia as you depict is not Abdullahi yusuf or the warlord thugs. It is peoeple like Ahmed ismail Samatar, Abdi Ismail Samater,Sheekh Shariif, Ali Khalif galaydh, Abdiqasim Salat hassen and many more. All of these people have no intention of abondoning the commonly held aspirattion of liberating the Somali people in ogaden region. I urge you to see the right perspectives and don't please get mislead by currrent events taking place in Somalia. And contrary to your assertions, Ogaden's cannt stand alone and cannot achieve anything without the suppport of the somali nation. You need to re-evaluate your assumptions and rethorics. by the way, who among the ogaden's are really in the fight? A whole lot of people from the same clan are not participating due to the same cancer that ravaged the somali nation-tribalism. Where are the people who live in Afder Zone and Gode by the way? So, you see the picture is different than the one you have. I am trying to help you get the right information. And believe me you are hearing this from the Horses' mouth, as they say-interms of the struggle.

SOMALIA HAS LOST THE HISTORICAL ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA STATUS, WHEN IT DESTROYED ITSELF. ETHIOPIA I BELEIVE NO LONGER OPERATES ON THAT PRESPICE. ETHIOPIA(read tigre regime) JUST WANTS A FREINDLY NEIGHBOUR. AMERICA'S ROLE IS DESTABLISING THE REGION. ISLAMISTS ARE THE ODD ONES OUT, COS ISLAM IS NOT IN DANGER IN SOMALIA BUT THE NATION STATE OF SOMALIA IS! SOMALIS AND THE WORLD ARE NOT READY FOR SHARIA STATES THIS CENTURY. THE HISTORY AND SITUATION IN OGADENIA IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE AND MUST BE MIXED WITH THE SOMALIA MESS. THE OGADEN CAN STAND ALONE LIKE ALL LIBERATION MOVEMENTS. THEY CAN HOLD OUT LIKE THE PLO. THE MESS IN SOMALIA HAS BEEN DESTABLISING AND DISTORTING THE OGADEN STRUGGLE. WHERE IS THE MIDDLE GROUND??

If you can’t manage your affairs, someone else will do it for you!

Mardaadi Araweelo nooneeda lalama sheekaysto. Waa Maxamed dheere oo Gabadh ah uun. So don't waste your words on thrash!

Excellent HOL! Ethiopia stated that it had "excellent" relations with almost all Mogadishu based warlords as well as faction leaders in Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, Jubba and Gedo regions over the years!  Without being pro-primitive beards, the conspiracy against my country from the Ethiopian side was NEVER EVER absent in my brain!                                                    Gacaliye.

Momo, I stronlgy agree with your statement.. mahamed dheere yalaxow, muse sudi yalaxow, cadbi qaybdid yalaxow etc are as evil as the tigreys. Were it not for the hawiye thugs we would not have been in this mess now.

By the way Mardaadi, Caasimadda aad sheegaysid oo boqolaalka sano lasoo dhisay ragga burburiyey waad taqaan.

Mardaadi, Instead of defending and ignoring the attrocities committed by Indhacadde, Hussen Aidid, Mohamed Dhere, Abdi Qeybdid, and many more, why cant you say "What we did was wrong, unislamic, unpatriotic and we are sorry and we ask our Somali people forgivenes and please lets unite against Ethiopia".  What's wrong with admitting guilt and appealing to each other?

Alla Maxaa dadka Soomaalida inta badan la fool gareeyay, micnaha la dabaashaday, war meeshaan dadka soo gala qaarkood ma aha dad ku shaqeeya fikir Soomaali waa jawaasiis u kiraysan Tigreega Xamar iyo dalka haysta, dadka waxey isaga dhigayaan dad soomaali ah oo Cabdulaahi Yuusf taageersan, walaahi waa dhuuni qaatayaal jawaasiis ah, oo meelo kala duwan jooga oo  loo kiraystay in dadka jahwareeriyaan, oo mid caayo indhacade, mid nin kale caayo mid u jawaabo c/laahi yuusuf aayo, hadde waxaa muuqata in dadkaas sababihii tigeergu u kiraystay in ay ku guuleysteen markii dadku qabiil qabiil isku caayo,. maanta aarinta Soomaaliya ka jirta qof Soomaaliya oo caadi ah, oo muslim ah uma hadli lahayn sida ARAWEELO10 IYO Momo519. Marka dadka islaamka ah ee Soomaalida oo ka danqanaya in Caasimadoodii boqolaaka sano la soo dhisayay in Itoobiyaan burburiyaan, culimadooda Masaajida lagu laayo, Kitaabkii quraanka kariimka ah askari tigree ah ku dul istaago, gabdhihii soomaalida la kufsado, ha u jawaabina jawaasiista meesha soo gasho oo ignore gareeyo, JAWAASIISKA TIGREEGOW WAA LAGU FAHMAY  ayaa ku filan.

Alla maxaa buun been ah la yeeriyay. Waddaninimo la calaanjiyay, dhuuxii lagala baxay, oo lafaheediina la feentay baa la leeyahay ha la wadaago Soomaliyey, kaliya maahe Soomalidii koofurta, waqooyiga, Bari iyo Galbeed ha la isugu yeero (shanta). Sida Momo519 uu yiri markii Indhacade uu homeless ka noqday dadkii uu madaxa uga fadhiyay, welina uu rabin inuu gurigiisa ku laabto, ayaa asaga xayn wareersan oo daba socda marna lagu yiraahdo shareeca, xoreyn iyo waddaninimo ayaan ka wadnaa Muqdisha iyo Waddanka oo la wareeriyay oo caruurihii dagaal la galiyay, laguna laayey, oo midkii xijaabtay weegii hore oo u soo tababartay inuu dadkiisa muslinka uu argagixiyo, looga keenay Afghanistan. Laakiin runtii ay tahay xaraanteydii baan soo dhacsanayaa. Taas ayaan laga yiraahdaa Liberation, oo san dule la rabaa in nalooga dhigo. Lol!

Before we talk about national unity and nationalism, we should seek forgiveness and reconciliation from each other. A healed family can become a happy family. But a sick family will hardly become a happy family. A happy family would most likely have a happy neoghbours provided the neighbours also have a happy family.

Before we talk about national unity and nationalism, we should seek forgiveness and reconciliation from each other. A healed family can become a happy family. But a sick family will hardly become a happy family. A happy family would most likely have a happy neoghbours provided the neighbours also have a happy family.

I am SURPRISED. When ever I try to reason (and write ten lines) it is blocked, and whenever i write two lines to argue, it is posted. What is the criteria for messgaes that are blocked and those aren't??I don't insult tribes, i don't isult religion, iI try to post a messgae calling for national unity and any such message is thrown out like a garbage. Kolkaa soo ha la murmo uun ma aha? War ileen tan oo kale!!

Test war wax fiican baan soo wadaaye hala isii daayo.

Arawelo is ready to go jahanam with her stooge uncle ina yey no matter what. She will support him if he will destroy the holy Kaaba.. Naar gale alaanshe

Mo'alin Mohamud, When Indhacadde and his gangs were victimizing the rest of the Somalis in the south, No one cared about nationalism. When Hussen Aidid and his gangs victimized people in Bay and Bakol, no Somalis rescued them. Now that Indhacadde and his gangs are homeless, they need the rest of the Somalis and appeal to them and call for nationalism. You want me to buy into that empty call?

They will march profund, like a genuine part of the literati-the fools; but inside their facade, you can still see the lines of impiety, sin and egotism clearly etched out on their foreheads-The traitors. Araweelo and co. belong to this gropu and it is sad being able to put few lines of english togather is being thought as a worthy substitute for an apparent luck of intelligence and sincerity! Pathetic fools! kolkaasay waliba adeerkay/aabahay haddaan la ogolaan ku leeedahay! DOWN with the tribalist YEY and his gangs! DOWN with XAbashi and theie lackeys!HOL come to your senses, please! We are at a crossroads and you need to do service to your country. This faux notion of impartiality and neutrality is hot puff. Look at the BBC or Aljazeera and tell me if their are so!!

Araweelo, Adeerkaa waa aabaha dowlad diidka.. wixii somaliya dowlad soo maray wuu diidanaa.. tiisa markii la diidey miyuu leeyahay wadanka Ethiopia ayaan siinayaa?..

Maya aniga waxaan ku jiraa dadka aragtidooda ka dhiibta halkaan markan awoodo. Ee ma laga daayo HOL xagxagshada, ayagu waxna ma dilin waxna ma dhicin. Waddaniyada sida xiliyada roobka u da'daa mahaa mid run ahee iyo diin ku qaraabashahada hadda jeebka nalooga soo baxay. Waa la is ogyahay in uusan adoonsi iyo gumeysi uusan ka jirin Muqdisho, oo aan Soomaliya inteeda kalana aan saameyn!!, waxa loogu yeero hawlgalada maaha gumeysi ee waa nadiifinta dowladiidka hadba shaatiga wata. Waxaad rabtiin sheega, ciiddaad rabtiina isku roga markaan idinkama saareyso.   Gumeysiga dhabta ah ee Soomaliya waa la yiqiin kuwey ahayeen oo raali ay ka wada aheyeen culimo isku sheegta hadda dalkeena ka soo burqatay sidi Folkaanihii.

Waxaan aad uga xumahay in Soomaalidu maanta ay ku sifoowday inteeda badan waxii uu Mels ku sheegay oo ahayd in Soomaalidu dhibkeedu uu yahay wadaniyad la'aan ee uusan dhibku ahay wadaniyiinta oo badan. Dadka sidaa ku sifoobay ayaa waxaa hadda ku Biiray HOL oo ah web ay Soomaalidu aad u aqristaan, ma u malaynin in is barbardhig noocaan ah uu keenayo web caan ah oo Soomaalida kii hagi lahaa oo u sheegi lahaa xaqiiqda jirta. Maanta dalka Soomaaliya waxuu ku jiraa gumaysi kii uga xumaa, kuwii madaxtinimada sheeganayayna waxay hadda ku tageen inaysan madax ahayn ee Itoobiyaanku waxa ay rabaan ay soconayaan kaliya, maanta oo magaalada Xamar masaajida culumadii lagu laynayo, dugi quraankii danbi laga dhigay, Jaamacadihii iyo iskuulaadkii la xiray, isbitaaladii Itoobiyaankii degeen, Xamar kala badh uu haawanayo, Itoobiyaanku ku tijaabinayaa hubkii Kuuriyada waqooyi looga keenay, daarihii xamar la duninayo, Lacag Faalso ah dawlad ku sheegii dadkii ku aqsaysiisay, Dekedii, garoonkii, Iyo Fiisha baraa wasaarada gaadiidka taarkada Baabuurta iyo canshurta dhamaan lagu qaaday US Doolar, oo shilinkii dhibaato badan lagu hayo. ma fileyn HOL inay is barbardhig noocaan ah samaynayso ee waxaa filayayey inay dhabta ka hadlayso. Waxaa kale oo aan idinn sheegayaa ARAWEELO10  waa qof lacag lagu siiyo ina ay uun comment-ga soo dhigto qabiil iyo qurun Soomaalida lagu wareerinaayo, waa qof fadhiya Safaarada tigreega muqdisho iyada iyo kuwa badan arrintaas ayaa loo shaqaaleeyay. waqti ha ku lumina dadka loo kiraystay in Soomaalida ku waalatay qabiilka in ay uga dhigaan wax kasta qabiil. GUMAYSIGU WAA BAXAYAA, TIGREEGUNA WAA JABAYAA. AMA DAGAALKU WAXUU IS QABSANAYAA OGADEN ILAA MUQDISHO, MUQDISHO ILAA KISMAAYO. ITOOBIYAANKUNA MA JOOGI KARAAN, CIIDAMADII SOOMAALI KU SHEEGANA WAA DHAMAANAYAAN. VIVA MUQAAWAMADA XAQA AH.

Araweelo, I am just wondering how you came up with the word **fairness** here!.. Who are the HOL editorial when they have to be fair about the Ethiopian occupation?  We are talking about Somalia Vs. Ethiopia here.. to be fair or not to be, then they have to be from somewhere else than those two countries.

Araweelo, I am just wondering how you came up with the word **fairness** here!.. Who are the HOL editorial when they have the be fair about the Ethiopian occupation?  We are talking about Somalia Vs. Ethiopia here.. to be fair or not to be, then they have to be from somewhere else than those two countries.

HOL had tried to be as much as they can fair and balanced, I want to thank them for providing this debate. Some people should stop instructing how things should be interpreted or whenever someone exercises his/her freedom of speech. What is next? you will call them "Kufar" or it is as usual "my way or the high way".

Momo519, The question is not whether one is sheikh or not ... whether indhacade was once in Marka and Baraawe or whether Kismaayo benongs to Morgan or not. The Point in here is that HOL has damaged it's reputation by calling this an involvement when it is pure occupation. As an Hiiranian, I am honestly ashamed to see this editorial drag the name Hiiraan in a dirt when we all know that Hiiraan has been the mother of libration in our country.

Ethopia how much are you selling you Pre. Yussuf Puntland take this man Mogadishu they have the boys.  And Darod, Isack care. Somali Come clean with your Amriecan hunter.

We are tired and Replican I am America and Democrate I am not American. I am a world wartcher.  The world may have missed Somalia is for Somali you dirty women/men  the biggiest bombs have been in our waters who the hell is the horn of Africa.  Histroty is tach but dead is dead and the American  foolish tiring his Empire does not know who the hell comes to dirty clean up will it be be the Qween relax of the world relax.  Dirty is Dirty and hope/shame balanace.  A tired world is never good for any human.  If I die tonight I an mever a target but I am I am a dirty dirty world unpaid and listen to a worlf hunan dostoring themselves.   I love humans and Somali I am. And sorry for the world dis.  22,000 sweept is bad amd hope my Somali familys to learn to forgive each other.  Salam/ god bless

I call Ethiopian intervention, not occupation. People should stop whining about it and move forward in order to pacify our country. Instead of opting out the usual destructive paths since 1991.

Saab, What nationalism? Nationalism is an appeal to the whole nation and not a particular region. If the ICU brings a nationalism that appeals to the whole  nation including Puntland, Somaliland, and Jareerweyne, and Reer Xamar, and RRA, then we may have a real nationalism. Anti Ethiopian sentiment alone is not sufficient enough to call for a nationalism. When you call Indha cadde a Sheikh and Muse Sudi a Shaydan, you are not being honest. When you call Aidid a hero and Abdullahi Yusuf a warlord, you are not being honest. When you call Deylaf a nationalist and Ilma Taar a sellouts, you are not being honest. When you dont see Indhacade presence in Marka as an occupation and Morgan's presence in Kismayo as intrusion, you are not being honest. When we address all these grievances in an honest manner, we could talk about nationalism.

HOL STOP CENSORING ME

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

HOL waad ku mahadsantihiin doodan aad soo bandhigteen. It's true that somalia and Ethiopia are neighbours and they should respect each other but we should not forget that these two countries never agreed their dispute about territory and atrocities commited by Ethiopia againsty etnic Somalis therefore one should concider Ethiopia as enemy.Current setuation, somalidu waxay tiraahdaa AWRKAYGA AYAAN KU KACSANAY.This Alshabaab wahabist killers, ex mooryaan oo horay dalku uga degi waayey waa in haddi la helayo jinni loo keenaa ilaa ay sharaftayadii iyo qaranimadayaddii soo noqonayso.Somalina marna yey ilaawin waxa ordaya badankoodu waa calooshooda u shaqaystayaal. markay tolbeelay leeyihiin ama ilaahay darti igu soo raac leeyihiin ogaada AWRKOODAY KU KACSANAYAAN, insha allaa Wadaniyiinta ayaa ka badan doona goordhow caloosha u shaqaystayaashaaas.Gunaanadka hadal waa kan.Iloow Alshaab inay 2008 oo la joogo qaran dhisi karaan they are only new DALIBAAN.Ethiopia waa inaan mar walba oo wax ku darsanayno ka fakarno ujeeda ay kaleedahay. Dowladda federaalka inta u hartay hala taageero aan AWRKEENA KU KACSANO wixiinaan igu diidanayn Ina Yeey cimri uma harin xaanuuna waa jiraa ee dawlad Cagaheeda ku taagan intaas halagu shiso.

Genuine-Somali, what is wrong with Ethiopia seeing non-hostile Somali government. Why do you want to portray youself as forever enemy of Somalia and why do you consider your views  as though they reflect the views of all Somalis?

H.O.L YOU HAVE CENSORED ME ENOUGH,COZ AM MJ PRINCE. SO GOODBYE AND FAREWELL.

The real truth is that each side is conveniently using their “facts” to fortify their position. I don’t buy/believe Ethiopia is in Somalia because of being a good neighborly. Ethiopia is there to make sure its interests are looked after. Some of Ethiopia’s interests are port accessibility; access to potential oil/natural resources; not having a hostile and strong Somali government as their neighbors, etc. This is the very reason that Ethiopia is sponsoring and advocating the Somaliland secession drive. This is why it supports Puntland’s drive of oil exploration, etc. For the “Re-Liberation” motive is a pure opportunism. Many actors of “Alliance” were agents of Ethiopia not long ago; they are conveniently whipping nationalism fervor. If their main concern is removing Ethiopian army out of Somalia, they need to somehow secure the internal security of the country. Their pre-condition of any sort of negotiations, is unreasonable in my opinion. The TFG is outright foolhardy to solely relay on a foreign army. It has neither vision nor a courage to turn the page, if you will, and win-over the “heart and mind” of the population. I believe, squandered a good opportunity to finally institute a fully representing government. Finally, I believe every Somali person is somewhat responsible of our plight! We value Tribe/clan over nationalism!

Also, as soon as ICU took power, if Indhacadde and Hassan Turki were to reach out for our Ethiopian and Kenyan neighbours and call for harmony, positive neighbourly relations, and made the case for the International community that the ICU is to solve Somalia's problems and have no intention of harming others, I believe the situation would have been much better today and ICU would still be in power. Instead, as soon as they took power, they have started to call for the destruction and the dismemberment of our neighbours. The reckeless childish speeches of Indhacadde and Hassan Turki gave the dying TFG a second chance. Call it involvement or occupation, Ethiopia's presence in Somalia has been a reactionary. They have reacted to the threatening calls of the ICU and they have reacted to the cry-out calls of the opportunistic TFG. For the first time, I have to agree with a warlord: kanyare said Somalia's problems is rooted in two clans: an expansionist clan and a clan seeking to revenge. Other Somali clans are victimized in this mess.

Also, as soon as ICU took power, if Indhacadde and Hassan Turki were to reach out for our Ethiopian and Kenyan neighbours and call for harmony, positive neighbourly relations, and made the case for the International community that the ICU is to solve Somalia's problems and have no intention of harming others, I believe the situation would have been much better today and ICU would still be in power. Instead, as soon as they took power, they have started to call for the destruction and the dismemberment of our neighbours. The reckeless childish speeches of Indhacadde and Hassan Turki gave the dying TFG a second chance. Call it involvement or occupation, Ethiopia's presence in Somalia has been a reactionary. They have reacted to the threatening calls of the ICU and they have reacted to the cry-out calls of the opportunistic TFG. For the first time, I have to agree with a warlord: kanyare said Somalia's problems is rooted in two clans: an expansionist clan and a clan seeking to revenge. Other Somali clans are victimized in this mess.

What would you do if you were the Ethiopian prime minister and Indhacade and his group who just chased out the so called powerful warlords and are threatening to invade your country and are calling the Ethiopian people to rebel against your goverment? What would you honestly do in these circumstances? Would you wait until Indhacade and his group strengthen their power and the threats become reality? The point here is that Ethiopia acted for their own national security interest. If Ethiopia wanted to invade Somalia for expansionism purposes, they could have done years ago. If Ethiopia wanted to instal the homeless TFG in Mogadishu, they would not have waited two years while Abdullahi Yusuf was in Nairobi.

Where is the view of the Somali people? The only one that should count. I'll say to Hiiraan Online to give us a break and not insult our inteligence.

A vote of no confidence for HOL.

My opinion and the one of the overwhelming majority of all Somalis is that Ethiopia invaded our Country to fulfil its own interest the way all previous Ethiopian regimes wanted. If Ethiopia took Ogaden and Eritrea what forbids Ethiopia to take Somalia. The TFG is an Ethiopian stooge and without the freedom fighters by now Somalia would be part of Ethiopia the way Ogaden is and the way Eritrea was before its liberation. HOL I think you have a moral obligation towards the majority of the voiceless Somalis living under the Ethiopian occupation. Somalis used to say a bad government is better than anarchy(dowlad xun dowlad la'aan ayeey dhaantaa). What many Somalis say no government is much better than Ethiopian occupation and its puppet. (Dowlad la'aan ayaa dhaanta midiidin iyo gumeysiga Ethiopia)

nargale, for god sakes cease fire and show us your good side . Not that i care about INDOMONITABLE and his useless comments though he has every right to say his views but , you know , for your own sanity and for our convenience

"Furthermore, the TFG argues that the Ethiopian troop's presence and involvement is a temporary in nature and Ethiopians will be out of Somali politics as soon as UN or AU peacekeeping forces are deployed or TFG is able to  protect itself from radical Islamist threats." I am beginning to doubt the sincerity and seriousness of the so called 'international community' to fund and deploy UN or AU peacekeepers to replace the Xabash. I also doubt that they are serious about empowering the TFG. Having said that the so called Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia are a collection of political groupies, opportunist politicians, and self-styled Wadaads in the service of foreign interests. They are toothless demogogues who have no control over those who are killing and daily assasinating innocent Somalis.  If somehow they succeed to oust the TFG, I am confident they will fight among themselves for power just like the anarchists who toppled the Siad Barre regime.  Like yesterday's Aideeds Sr, Ali Mahdis, Atto, etc today's Shariif Xariid,  Shariif Abdi Bile, Baby Aidiid, Zakariya, etc. they, as a group, are not offering a road map a vision for the suffering Somali people. In view of the above poor Somalia is between a rock and a hard place.  The only remaining solution is for the opposition to heed  the TFG's call for reconciliation, form a national empowered unity government that they are in a position to negotiate from a position of strength with Ethiopians, and reach out to the Islamic Conference State for peacekeepers to replace them. Abandoning ZERO SUM GAME driven by caustic GHETO CLAN MENTALITY is the only way out of this predicament. Otherwise we are doomed as a nation.  Maxaaynu daxal uga tegaynaa caruurteena? KuCadaye oo Murgo meel dhigtay!

nargale; Mo'alinku faataxadu kuu marayaa in ilaahay wax san afkaaga ka keeno! Not that you abuse me; but when you do, i see how it would be!

Perseverance has never been a trait I admire in Somal's; and it is quite natural for HOL to feel tried of supporting the right cause! for no media (regardless of the deafening squeal of independence and neutrality) is neutral in this universe. It is time to re-invent the wheels and join the new darlings. Some cue if this has to do anything with re-allignments in somali cancer tribal politics. Time will tell.

The warlords of the TFG are the middle men for the sellout of their country and its nation and made Ethiopia fulfil it's donkey years dream of conquering somalia and they will do every trick under the sun  to undermine any possible peace and stability in somalia. The rest of the world are either tied up by the bullying and threatful policies of uncle sam or they have their own interests and they don't want to be involved . Which ever way one looks at the current somali situstion , Ethiopia is the one that is behind the wheel of this  run away train . However, no matter how hard and persistant Ethiopia wants to occupy somali soil , the resilient somali fighters in and out of somalia will not give up their struggle ( god forbid ) to liberate every inch of somali soil including ogaden from amxaaro injirley and it's puppets or Dabaqoodhis for that matter

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My version is the HOL version is biased and contains to a certain extent al shabaabism.

HOL Editorial, true journalistic editorial would get to the source of the issue, not ignore the 100 lb gorrila and present artificial picture of the issue, shame on you. The fundamental core of this issue that Somalia has and burns with is no other than the flames of clan competition and inter-clan hatred which reaches un-repairable levels. The Ethiopians, the TFG members, the Shabab, Re-Liberation and UIC, can all be explained under the Somali Clan Theory. We Somalis have become adapt at covering our clan intentions with names and causes. The clans are fighting over the national resources all means nacessary. Here is an how your article should have been writen. Ethiopia - Taking advantage of clan riveralies invates Somalia and plays divide and rule. TFG - A power shift in clan domination of the somali power base. Asmara/Shabab  -  Clan insurgency in the name of faith and liberation.

Indomitable; Let me take exception from my rule not to respond to idiots, and respond to you. Why do HOL keep you here, when such resourceful people like Gadh-haye are banned? You should be thanking your luck! Maybe, it is an oversight on thier part!

This is not an editorial. it is just a narrative, intended to act as a prelude to HOL's decision to flirt with the new-found love for the TFG. I am terribly disappointed. I can see people positioning themselves to join the traitors!

HOL; what about your version? When reporting TFG version you should have put it in the context of who they are & how they came to power, & who is keeping them in power? Of course they would defend their masters & protectors. The Ethiopian version is obvious, they were colonizing 5.5 million of our people for a century & were trying to invade the rest of our country since the days of Queen Sheba.

MOALIN DUGSI",,DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE???DID YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND IT?? WHAT BONE HEAD,,YOU AND YA "CLANSMEN CAN GO BACK TO *******WARR  COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT AND MOOOOVE,,,AWAAAAY!

I am banned too like the rest of my clansmen?

HOL editorial, Shame on you! What is the point of you coming up an article like this !? Don't you know the difference between Occupation and Involvement?

AND YOUR POINT IS.................... what self respecting man remains neutral when his country is under occupation? There was rumour HOL was bought by the TFG/Tigre camp. You just confirmed to us that you still remain bought.

Overedge Well offcourse "Ethiopian Leaders" would feed this propaganda to their people, because they are afraid to lose their leadership, but what makes you think that this  nonsense could be spoonfed  to Somalis????

"Ethiopian leaders describe their ongoing military involvement in Somalia as the quintessential selfless sacrifice where they risk the lives of Ethiopian troops and drain their limited wealth to assist in stabilizing Somalia eventually building national institutions for Somalia." I think it is time for Somalis to appreciate sacrafise that not a Somali is paying for but an Ethiopian mainly.

Hol editorial attempted to present different views about The Ethiopian "involvement". However, I was amased that one of the most read sites among the somalis "HOL"  will distance itself from the reality. Foreaxmple to say ETHIOPIAN INVOLVEMENT instead of ETHIOPIAN OCCUPATION, is delibrate distortion of the reality, and by the way even the WESTREN media name it like that. Isn't it time that we realize being neutral and good journalism does not mean NOT NAMING THINGS what they are-i.e OCCUPATION NOT INVOLVEMENT.  Again American involvement was not mentioned, the CRUISE MISSILES!!!