By Peter Clottey
Washington, D.C
Monday, January 12, 2009
Somalis are celebrating reports of the defeat of the Islamic fundamentalist group al-Shabab after several members of their fighters were killed Sunday in fierce clashes in central Somalia. Al-Shabab, described as by Washington as a terrorist organization, clashed with Islamist group Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca for control of central Somalia as Ethiopian troops began their crucial withdrawal. Several al-Shabab militant fighters were reported killed and their weapons seized. Sheik Abdulkarim Risak is a senior officer of the Islamic group Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca. He tells reporter Peter Clottey that his fighters will continue fighting al-Shabab until they are flushed out of Somalia.
"As you already know, early in the morning they (al-Shabab) came from different places to Gruael. You know, most of the Somalis call them al-Shabab, but in the Somali language we say they are al-Shaar because they are evil really. They come fighting in different places and killed a lot of people, but Allah willing, we saved our people and we pushed them back some kilometers," Risak noted.
He said his Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca fighters would continue to protect mainstream defenseless Somalis.
"We are defending ourselves. We are defending our wives. And we are defending our religion. Our religion prohibits Muslims fighting among ourselves, and you know, these people are not Muslims at all. They are foreign fighters, and I think they are al-Qaeda. But al-Qaeda is not functioning here in Somalia," he said.
Risak said his group is full of devout Muslims who pleaded with al-Shabab not to attack them, but claims that was not heeded.
"In here we consider Islam as a very good religion and we are not at war with anybody. We already told them to please not enter into our area of influence and internal affairs, but they refused that," Risak pointed out.
He said his group would continue to flush out fighters belonging to al-Shabab.
"Thanks to Allah, we have taught them a lesson today because they left at least 50 persons dead. And I think most of them are foreigners, and maybe they might be coming from South East Asia. And today they have received a good lesson. And I think they would not fight again because this is the latest casualties they have received in Gureal... and now we are moving to the capital, Mogadishu. We will continue to chase them wherever they are, and even if they are in a corner of our country, I think we would not stop our fighting," he said.
Meanwhile, Somali political analysts say there is a high possibility that the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops could usher in a new chapter of violence, adding that it may also open a window of opportunity to bring some Islamist groups into the political process and form a broad, inclusive government.
Some witnesses of Sunday's clashes between al-Shabab and Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca say at least 20 people, mostly fighters of al-Shabab, were killed.
Source: VOA, Jan 12, 2009
Saba looooooooooooool
Captain Nomadic
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welcome back indhoguluus but first dont break the promises that you made to the lower shabelle ppl give their belongings back to them then ask god for forgiveness.
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first of all indhacadde apologized to the lower shabelle ppl and asked them forgiveness then he went to the pilgrimage to do tha hajj and asked god for forgiveness now he is clean and innocent like a newborn baby and he is sheekh and xaaji not mooryaan anymore.
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mooryaans supporting wahabis very amazing one thing they have in common is the killing thats why they are against sufism.
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Alqudus
Haddeysan wax ka dhaxeyn Indhacade see bu maanta Xamar xeryihii askarta ku galay, oo Alshababna ugu dhaafeen.
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You are all misled, there is no such thing as ASWJ.
Those whom you are dealing with have an underground leader..
Their name/ ALSADE WALJAMACA
Their leader/ Nomadic1.
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Hymohamed
You are telling me a lot that I don't know! So, of course
he who has the most current news has the right of way!!
All i was saying was, they should prioritize, and i know
these Suffi would work anyone for a fraction of $ let alone
something more tangible!!
Good night
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Salam have look this article about interesting topic,
http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_30_killed_as_Al_Shabaab_fight_Ethiopia-backed_warlords.shtml
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Bravo Sufis. The Al-shabaab gotta go...they must be pushed to the cliff before they turn Somalia into a Afghanistan. As far as I'm concerned they are bunch of gangs...the new Moryaans.
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Bro Stick,
The "Boys" did not misbehave and did not threaten the way of life of the ASWJ unless those practices contradict the Koran and the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh). Actually, some of the Sufi groups were part of the invasion in 2006. Let me remind you a tragedy that took place in Cadaado in December 2006. When the UIC fighters retreated from the battlefields and many of them melted away among the population, there was this "Sheikh" who was among the Sufi groups in that region who accompanied with the Ethios and was showing the invaders the UIC fighters who changed their uniform and were part of the population. 50 young men were slaughtered by the Ethios after he identified them from the populace. There are many other horror stories conducted by the Sufi groups against the Somali resistance including spying for the enemy, issuing fatwas against fighting the Ethios, and Being a participant in the actual battles with the enemy, and many more.
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Salam to all, is init ironic that so called (Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca.) ingedged war with other freedom fighters just as the Ethiopians with drawing from the country?
and also the haven't lift a finger to the occupation? plus the real (Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca.) have rejected of any involvement of the war,cause they are peace full
people. that mean the Ethiopians are rearming and rebranding there old warlords in order to counter the growing strength and popularity of Al-Shabab. but they fail there occupation in somalia and is people,Somalia people are resilient and they will over come any obstacles in there way in order to achieve peace, inshallah.
the Ethiopian couldn't hold down for the resistance,so will not for any others of it puppets.
FREEDOM PEACE IN THE WORLD AND SOMALIA. LONG LIVE SOMALIA.
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Salam to all, is init ironic that so called (Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca.) ingedged war with other freedom fighters just as the Ethiopians with drawing from the country?
and also the haven't lift a finger to the occupation? plus the real (Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca.) have rejected of any involvement of the war,cause they are peace full
people. that mean the Ethiopians are rearming and rebranding there old warlords in order to counter the growing strength and popularity of Al-Shabab. but they fail there occupation in somalia and is people,Somalia people are resilient and they will over come any obstacles in there way in order to achieve peace, inshallah.
the Ethiopian couldn't hold down for the resistance,so will not for any others of it puppets.
FREEDOM PEACE IN THE WORLD AND SOMALIA. LONG LIVE SOMALIA.
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CARAWELO
mawereersani balse maxa suustaa sidii aad u dhihi jirtay
ALSHABAAB waa tuugu ka timid GALGADUUD oo waxay wax lawadaagaan
INDHOCADE IWM caawa i hope inay figradaadii isbadashay!
hadii aadan ogoleyn SHARIICA anigu cadowgaaga ayaan ahay
laakiin aniga iyo adiga waxaan wada hadleynaa markaan
GAROWE ka eryo MNAAFIQIINTA iyo wax alaale wixii kahor yimaada
in soomaalya shareecada ALLE lagu dhaqo
keep that in mind!
waxa aan udagaalameyno waa sharafta midnimada umadda soomaaliyeed
inaan dhulkeena hooyo uu noqdo meel islaamka kunool
heystaan NABAD HORUMAR WADA SINAAN WALAATINIMO!!
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wahabis aka IF IYO AAKHIRO even the dead ppl are not safe from them.
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alqudus
are not you king fahad's dabadhilif the father of wahabis.
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Waa u maleynaayey Alqudus inuu ku wareerayo mar ahaataba is bedbedelka Alharam & co.
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Hymohamed;
Yes Ethos are front line both in Galguduud and Jubba with
Hiiraale. Ethos is not arming and training ASWJ, they were
training & arming tribal militia and thanks to our current situation
it is not hard to recruit them. ASWJ came & join after the Boys misbehaved
and it became apparent that the Boys are indeed a threat to their way of life.
That gave them the tribal militia and the enemy to find a new form of recruit
and new title that has nothing to do with that infamous warlord system. It is
being circulated widely by what to quote, Rush called them "drive by media" and
sadly, people are buying this with alarming rate!!
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hyMOHAMED
waad mahadsantahay
teeda kale waxaa halkaan kabuuxa DABADHILIFYO aan goor hore
runta usheegay caawana way arkaan waxaan kahadlaayay
2sano kahor bal iswaydiiya maanta miyeysan aheyn wax lagu farxo
oo ALLE looga mahad celiyo GUUSHA MUJAAHIDIINTA usoo hoyatay!
aaway CADOWGII kibirsanaa ee lalahaa waa 2nd best in africa sow
caawa baryimaayaan in dariiq ey ku baxaan lasiiyo
kuwa maanta leh waxaan nahay SHAHAADO LADIRIR WA JAMEECA
walaahi aan ku dhaartee inaysan meeshaa kusii raagi doonin
xabishidu waxay rabtay inay furto goobo cusub si ay mujaahidiinta
CULEYSKA kaga qaadaan iyaga oo aay usuurtowdo inay cararaan ;ISMADHIHIN ;
WAAD ARAGTAAN WIXII KARAACAY gedo,bay,bakool
GURICEEL iyo DHUUSOMAREEBNA waa inakaa korfadhina bi'idnilaahi kariim
soomaaliya waa ay ka dhamaandontaa QABIIL MUNAAFIQ DACUUF DIINLAAWE IWM
KALAAMKA ALLE AYAA KATALINDOONA and if you don't like it GET THE HELL OUT!!
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stick,
I would have agreed your point of view if these new controlled groups would have left the resistance alone but they have not. There is a reason why the Ethios is arming them and training them and that is to use them as frontline troops. Keep in mind the Ethios are participant in the fighting in Guriceel. If you have more informtion than I don't, please share it with us. You could be right but I need more convincing info. Somalis say "Mas madaxaa laga dilaa", haddaan hadda laga hor tegin ka waran iyagoo kugu xoogaysta?
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Caro,
Yes Cirfo is in there but Indhocadde ( i used to call him
Indhobahal but i may change my view about him) is not included
he is near Bal'ad i heard and he is closer to the Boys than
the Galguduud warlords. Time will tell, you never know who to
trust in ever changing Somali alliance. But, time will tell
who was and is real and who is just in there for the typical
Somali way.
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Stick
You are right, I heard Indhocade, Cirfo and other guys who left Lower Shabeele are the new wadaado in Guriceel. It is funny the home of the Diinlord thugs is becoming, the place they are eliminating each other.
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Saba,
Welcome back
And yes i know, they could not have done what they are
doing without some Arab help, it is just a joke what is
going on in this world!!
Isn't that exactly what is going in Somalia? Ethos and
its masters (it is very long list) could not ride our
warlords any more, and look the new invention they implanted
in our psyche. Just rename the warlords with a different
flavor and use them against your enemy, and of course
sheep Somalis would buy it as they have been for the last
quarter century. The same warlods (Waal & Hiiraale so far)
with a new name, and surprisingly, everyone is calling them
ASWJ ..it is worst for of futility!!
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Hymohamed
I disagree. "oodo dhacmeed say u kala sareeyaan ayaa loo
kala qaadaa" You cannot impose your point of view overnight
and certainly not when you are at war at every corner of the
country, as many people in here said before, first thing first
and that is what they need to practice. You don't need to make
local enemy while you are fighting outside forces and their
agents at home...they should learn that if they want to
be a force to be reckon with.
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alqudus,
You said it all bro. These people don't understand the art of guerilla warfare. If our heroic freedom fighters made a tactical withrawal, they think it is a defeat. For some reason, their boss, Melez, and his army is running away and they have not taken notice. May be it is a nin daad qaadey xunbo cuskay. All they are seeking is bad news coming out from the battle field against our heroic freedom fighters.
Let me repeat what you wrote as I am in full agreement with you:
"give them a few weeks than we will talk we have been here
before! remember 15000 tfg soldiers what ever happen to them
no one and i mean no one will stand oure way untill
KALAAMKA ALLE LAGA YEGLEELO SOOMAALIYA.taasi waa balan
insha'ALLAAH" AAMIIN AAMIIN AAMIIN
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Tomps should be destroyed if people are going to them and worshipping them. The last thing we need people doing shirk in our country.
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ALSHABAAB ALXAARAAM YOU WILL BE FLUSHED DOWN IN THE TOILETS.
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Ali mustafa, I see you over come your anger. Otherwise, Alshabab the munite they desecrated tombs, their downfall had began.
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I can see a good-Two horse race!anyway i like to chuckle when i see a good story&this is a good støff!!"dont touch the graves,you might wake them up!!kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
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Saba lool,
Dont worry,one of the werdos was kicked his butt out of here yesterday. The Waranliqe or Baranbaraliqe i dont know.
We are in a pschosis situation,where we hardly find any one to trust. We can no longer distinguish a freind from foe.
Defeating Al-shabaab makes no more sense for Somalians if the killings and shelling the civillians will continue after their defeat,because the tragedy was there before them and it will be there after them unless otherwise.
It looks as some people are playing games by standing behind the Shabaabs yesterday and supporting their war,and after Yusuf is gone and Ethiopians began leaving,withdrew their support from the Shabaabs and putting all their support behind Ahlu-jinni-waljamaaca.
When were they right? when were they good Muslims,yesterday or today?
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Lool carawela,
Right after you got energised .
I am sorry,got to go,but would like to listen,
walaahi you are funny,loool.
Good night dear.
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Saba the w'ierd guys you mean Qowdhan twin brothers.
Sister I am with you too, the gen'ocide that is going on in Ga*za is ho'rrendous. I wondered why there is no single article about this in H'OL.
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Qudsi,
I think no body should honour them with the name ASWJ.
We can call them by their real names,i am sure some know
who they are. Ex warlords may be.
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AHLUSUNA WAJAMEECA YAAH..
give them a few weeks than we will talk we have been here
before! remember 15000 tfg soldiers what ever happen to them
no one and i mean no one will stand oure way untill
KALAAMKA ALLE LAGA YEGLEELO SOOMAALIYA.taasi waa balan
insha'ALLAAH
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Saba lool
I left you a message there.
Dont cry please.
You are forgiven.
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Nomadka darling,
i saw Xarbalqabaa'il meesha ka dilaacay.
Weird folks joined.
Way too boring to read it.
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Nomadka dearest,
Answered your massage on ARS joins TFG article.
Left a note for Gacaliye as well.
His check point has been crossed without permission.
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We are running short of ideas lately!!
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Carawela,
I had my honey moon long ago dear.
It is old fashion this honey moon thing ,don't you think?
I worked today.
Now i am mourning with the people of besieged Prison Gaza.
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Cara loooooool
I cant believe you said that. Plenty promises broken already. You are not my general any more.
Saba
Nice to see sister. You need to power us with your energy.
I think mine has been cut off my Putin.
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Saba, lol!!!
Muqaawamo ma jiraan, hadda waxaan mareynaa Ehlu Suna Wal Jamaaca.
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Saba sister good to know you are around. How was your wedding and honeymoon?.
Nomadka
2000 or O of any african troops is like African promise, nothing gets realized with Appuntamento Africano. Ehlu Suna are getting the upper hand in many places, do you think this the begining of the end of alshabab.
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Carawela iyo Muqaawamana maxaa kala haaysta!!
Ma kala dhamaadaan!!.
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Stick,
You are right, certain Arab regimes are pro Israel.
What did you think?? Israel always fought from within
Arab regimes against the people. Read the Syrian -Israeli
war. You will be amased when you read the Deffence minnister was
working for them.
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I am very encouraged by MO5 and Hymo line of thinking.
I almost lost hope of our people ever wising up after all
we experienced in b'lood and tears.
Gadhka as well said something important, you can't fight your
way to power all the time,that is to rephrase him,particularly
when odds are against you.
MO5 ,i want to add that the so called Islamists are not all homegrown,
some are dubious in the case of Sudan. Infiltrated in the case of somalia
one can argue. The middle ground Muslims with Nationalist fervor in those
organisations are eliminated,the self defeating ,warmongers are left in charge.
Xassan Turki is a classical example of usefull i'diots, Xassan al-turabi of Sudan on the other
hand is well aware of the damage he has done and the one he is doing now,intentionaly.
What makes Somalia different than countries targeted with the same tactics is,we Somalis are on the
bottom when it comes to leadership availabiity. Leadership i mean in relative term.
I don't think it is time to badmouth Sheekh Sharif, bit too late for those who are tempted.
Play by the hand you are served. Sudan,Yaman,Pakistan,Egypt,.. who knows next central gov to fall.
Chaos is being demanded by some powers that be.
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Gen Cara
2000 Ghanian troops coming soon.
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Is HOL purposely blocking people or they are experiencing website technical problems?.
Other than that, the game of elimination of Alharam is in full speed, Guriceel, Balcad, Baardhere and as usual Muqdisho. Shiikh Gadaashisa of Baardheere said that they have the upper hand against Ethiopians and Hiiraale Militia(I doubt).
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Lamadage and Hymo
I can’t believe you guys, the so called elite are taking turns on contemplating with these unsophisticated utter nonsense.
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Lamadage,
I have read the two reports and it confirmed what I believed before. The day Shariif Axmed crossed the Kenyan border and I read it in New York Times, it was obvious to me who he was. I have met many Somalis and it is very hard to convince who this man is. I guess it is all to see now who he is. The remainder of the articles are dealing with how the new warlords are being formed, armed, trained, and financed. I have laways had my suspicions who some of these aid agencies are. There are those that help the poor but it is very obvious there are many who are financing these heartless warlords and factions. My advice is a considerable effort should be devoted to find out the origins of all of these aid agencies and their activities.
I remember in Iraq in the 1990s, a British aid group that was removing land mines in the Kurdish North were actually spying in Iraq's militry. Even some of the UN Inspectors were eavesdropping on Iraq's militray and other high important places to ensure the next attack found its places. No doubt similar activities could take place in Somalia where it is open and any one can come in due to the lack of Central Authority.
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I will never accept that a mooryaan will become religious as everybody else can see except lamadage who still supporting the killers i ask you again are they fighting with somali christians?just answer yes or no plz.
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also the u.s. might not know they are arming such groups as in the case of the iran contra scandal in which the U.S. armed the iraqis to fight the iranians but the U.S. was also arming the iranians with out the leader's knowledge.
Every institution has its own corruption, non is free from it.
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Somalis trusted the warlords because the toppled the strongman Said Barre.
So they trusted them for a while to end the fueding but realized that they continue fighting and bickering.
So they turned their support to members of the religious community to instill peace.
But once these Islamic groups gained support from their follower each group wanted to instill their religious visson.
Which inturn led to feuding by other religious groups that rejected this view.
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Gaadhka N others
http://kismaayonews.com/fullstory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1231694102&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&
http://kismaayonews.com/fullstory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1231770000&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&
Lamdage
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Who are these Somalis welcomed this fa*e defeat? VOA can shout to their throat against Islamist but one reporter can't make one Amhara lover equal to Somalis. That is the value of this report.
Adduunyo xaalka ba’
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Extremism is created,and people are forced to become extreme.
Al-shabaab is no exception.
Al-shabaab is introduced to Somalia by the US after they armed,paid and supported the war-lords who were terrorizing Somali people.
I see the same mistake is being made by arming Ahlu-jinni-waljamaaca and other groups led by the same old war-lords to fight the Islamists.
It is better to approach the Islamists with an acceptable solution that is good for all Somalis.
If Ethiopia and US are honest about the reconciliation and peace process they should refrain from arming certain groups against other and stay away from Somali internal politics,otherwise more extrimists will emerge and The Horn will be more unstable.
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is that not what fuels Al Shabab, constant fighting?
I think many things shall unravel once the Ethiopians leave.
some support maybe lost or gained, only time shall tell.
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Guriceel will not move an inch from where its today and everyone except those that perished will be there too. So, why fight over a barren strip of land. Very sad!!!
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Thanks to poverty, unemployment and tribal passion, Somalis will continue fighting for years to come. Keep claiming pyrrhic victories until you all perish as the result ignorance and destitution.
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Actually the ethiopians didnt accomplish anything. Its a false political statement so Meles does not look bad.
The only thing Ethiopia accomplished was destabalizing the horn of Africa.
I heard the Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca took a town from islamic courts in middle shabelle? but that could be a false report.
So is everyone here against the Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca?
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Yet another costly, unnecessary and avoidable war embarked on by a group that doesn’t have the words “compromise” and “negotiated settlement” in their lexicon.
Why instigate war and unrest in a relatively peaceful (if not insignificant locality) on the periphery of this nation?
I mean: what’s so special about Guriceel and Mataan that calls for the sacrifices and death of so many fighters who should’ve been engaged in combat with departing Ethiopian troops, or taken leave from fighting to vacation and spend much needed picnic in Liido?
This war is unnecessary, unwarranted, and unjustified. The sooner it comes to an end the better.
There is also no need to issue Fat’was against fellow Culumas and call for their blood over mino’r and pett’y disagreements which could be solved through talks and eng’agement. One cannot shoot and kill his way to power. I am talking about the Fatwa issued by Shiekh Mukhtaar ‘Abu-zubayr’ of Alshabaab against Sheikh Sharief and his group.
I was wondering what Ethiopia meant by their ‘mission accomplished’ statement. Now I know. How gullible and naïve we Somalis are to always fall on their trap! Sad.
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I mean no sympathy att all
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Gacaliye Saaxiib
You know this Alshabaab, they spreading death and destruction and they are terrorising civilian population in every where’s in the south and central regions, they don’t want even Ethiopia to leave the country, because they will be revealed that they are waging fake jihad against there own people when Ethiopia leaves. Therefore I have sympathy for them.
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Majority of Somalia do not the share Al-Haram's view or tactics-ASW will surely defeat this assassin group.
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Simbe Lool,
KKKK are you sure you don't cry when alharaam rats are smoked or flushed out? KKKKK Cajiiib!
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I will not run tears for defeated or dead alshabaabs, they get what deserved. Why war in the first place, they must learn to negotiate a solution before war, but Alshabaabs policy is to shout and ask equations later. They are mad people who want make our country new jihads battle fields.
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The protests against Gaza aggression were everywhere! But
because Israel is doing this with the blessing of US, Europe
and most of Khamiisleey Arab leaders, protest is just
background noise for them. They do have the power to change
the American policy as they wish, you do know what happened
in the UN last week right?
As for this article, it is just another propaganda from VAO
look at the title, that is not even good way to put it if you
know journalistic ethics. One thing is for sure though, Sherrif
and his circle proved that they are sheep and have no clue of
what is going on in this world. The guy who was calling himself
Sheikh but at the same time appealing for clannish and its worst
form represent Sherriff and what he wants for the country. He went
to the extreme that he does not even know what he wants anymore!
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"Self defense is the first right of statehood. Israel has a right and obligation to stop terrorism," said Coleman.
"We need to send a clear message to the Israeli people, 'In this complex and dangerous world, you do not stand alone,'" said Franken.
Gershon Kedar is a Deputy Consul General from Israel. On Sunday, his message in Minneapolis was that Israel isn't after innocent people, it's after those that threaten its very existence.
"We are fighting the people who have hijacked their own people, who are using their own people as human shields to kill Israelis," said Kedar.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, along with Sen. Amy Klobuchar and former Sen. Mark Dayton, were also among those speaking in support of the Israeli Government. As far as the protesters go, they were mostly peaceful. A lot of security was on hand to make sure it stayed that way.
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